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      10-26-2020, 11:14 PM   #177
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18 M2 without headlight washers (like m2c) would have been perfect for me.
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      10-27-2020, 04:04 AM   #178
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I don’t think we know what the engine will be on the next M2.
S58 (strongest rumor).
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      10-27-2020, 10:25 AM   #179
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S58 (strongest rumor).
Yep but still a rumor.
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      10-27-2020, 01:53 PM   #180
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For all those who complained that the OG M2 didn’t have M mirrors, have you seen the pictures of the new G80 M3? The new M3 doesn’t have the old style M mirrors.
Slightly different shape, but they still have the wing piece which distinguishes the M mirrors.
Cheep attempt by BMW/M

They seriously look like mirror caps
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      10-28-2020, 03:04 AM   #181
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Yep but still a rumor.
Ummmm .... considering the source (Artemis), you can't get much more reliable unless you were THE chief G87 engineer.
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      10-28-2020, 02:17 PM   #182
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Sound is 50% for me.

Only the seats are a win for comp.

But OG owners could fix that in a moment.
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      10-28-2020, 02:18 PM   #183
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One thing the OG has going for it over M2C is the color choice. The M2 looks absolutely mean in MG! I don't like any of the available colors in the M2C. Not even a little bit. Didn't want to mess with wraps. Opted for used M2 LCI in MG and don't feel I'm missing out on anything the M2C offers as a DD.
I agree... The color choices on the M2C are not good IMO. The white and black options are the safe choices , however both do not appeal to me. The blue chosen for these cars is not a true blue, Hockenheim silver is not appealing at all and Sunset Orange is nice, just not my style.

If a better blue or the Mineral Gray were available i would own a M2C! Dynamically both the M2C and OGM2 are very good. Since I modify everything i own, the M2C is clearly the better option between the OGM2 and M2C.

As for the original post, the OG M2 in mineral grey has had me on the fence since it was released. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger was the N55. I have looked into FBO and a bigger turbo, however I would always feel I spent a ton of money on an inferior motor. Again my opinion.

I'm sure many feel differently, but that's what make the car community strong.

Both are fantastic cars that will be regarded as BMW classics in the future.

Off topic: At the time the 1M was released i had a 135i. I had the oportunity to get a 1M at MSRP and passed because of the color choices. This was clearly a mistake, however you can see what is important to me.
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For all those who complained that the OG M2 didn't have M mirrors, have you seen the pictures of the new G80 M3? The new M3 doesn't have the old style M mirrors.
Slightly different shape, but they still have the wing piece which distinguishes the M mirrors.
Cheep attempt by BMW/M

They seriously look like mirror caps
Sure, but they're technically winged mirrors and M exclusive, even if they're not great looking.
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      10-29-2020, 09:26 AM   #185
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For all those who complained that the OG M2 didn't have M mirrors, have you seen the pictures of the new G80 M3? The new M3 doesn't have the old style M mirrors.
Slightly different shape, but they still have the wing piece which distinguishes the M mirrors.
Cheep attempt by BMW/M

They seriously look like mirror caps
Sure, but they're technically winged mirrors and M exclusive, even if they're not great looking.
I understand all that

It's just unfortunate BMW didn't put more effort into the design
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      10-29-2020, 12:43 PM   #186
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I picked the M2C HS MT up today. I drove 100 miles to get home and then out to dinner tonight. I have no regrets and glad I made the switch and I was seriously on the fence. The pops and gurgles are still there and better. I got really good at it with my 17. The shifting is smoother, the seats are an improvement. The M1 and M2 buttons are installed!! The HS color is unique and changes with lighting conditions, very cool color. The mirrors are a plus. The brakes are sensitive and big. I will respect the 5500 rpm break in period and then I will test them out on a remote highway in a few weeks. Yes the G87 is coming out which means you can get a good deal on a great 2021 M2C if you choose to.
Ok, I'm up to 1800 miles on the M2C. Not much spirited driving due to cool weather and rain since the 1200 mile service but here are differences so far.

Positives:
More torque is noticeable but at higher RPM. No complaints.
Better brakes, maybe too good. Given a choice I would have taken brakes that would allow me to use my 18" Apex EC7's. The brakes were great in the 17M2 "OG".
Good exhaust sounds, did not loose anything here.
Mirrors look cool.
Seats are better.

Negatives:
The push button to turn on the rain sensor wipers is gone from the 17M2. You need to move the lever and adjust the auto wipe speed or rain sensitivity. The lever seems like a cost cutting idea and is like the one in the x3M40. The button felt like quality and was more functional in my opinion.

The cup holder in the center console is either back further or the dash sticks out more. My BMW M coffee cup holder does not fit as well, but still fits.

Apple car play is more xxxxed up than my 17M2 was. I don't know how they can go backwards but they may have accomplished just that. I probably need to spend some time with it and see if I can figure it out.

All in all, glad I made the switch for all of the reasons previously stated.
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      10-29-2020, 01:58 PM   #187
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Ok, I'm up to 1800 miles on the M2C. Not much spirited driving due to cool weather and rain since the 1200 mile service but here are differences so far.

Positives:
More torque is noticeable but at higher RPM. No complaints.
Better brakes, maybe too good. Given a choice I would have taken brakes that would allow me to use my 18" Apex EC7's. The brakes were great in the 17M2 "OG".
Good exhaust sounds, did not loose anything here.
Mirrors look cool.
Seats are better.

Negatives:
The push button to turn on the rain sensor wipers is gone from the 17M2. You need to move the lever and adjust the auto wipe speed or rain sensitivity. The lever seems like a cost cutting idea and is like the one in the x3M40. The button felt like quality and was more functional in my opinion.

The cup holder in the center console is either back further or the dash sticks out more. My BMW M coffee cup holder does not fit as well, but still fits.

Apple car play is more xxxxed up than my 17M2 was. I don't know how they can go backwards but they may have accomplished just that. I probably need to spend some time with it and see if I can figure it out.

All in all, glad I made the switch for all of the reasons previously stated.
Positives:
More torque is noticeable but at higher RPM. No complaints. - Agree and a given.
Better brakes, maybe too good. Given a choice I would have taken brakes that would allow me to use my 18" Apex EC7's. The brakes were great in the 17M2 "OG". - The OG calipers were perfectly balanced, the M2C ones are overkill while adding weight and limiting wheel options.
Good exhaust sounds, did not loose anything here. - surprising, you sure you're not just hearing the ASD?
Mirrors look cool. - Agreed.
Seats are better. - Better but would still prefer a proper race seat

Couldn't help it.
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      10-29-2020, 02:02 PM   #188
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Positives:
More torque is noticeable but at higher RPM. No complaints. - Agree and a given.
Better brakes, maybe too good. Given a choice I would have taken brakes that would allow me to use my 18" Apex EC7's. The brakes were great in the 17M2 "OG". - The OG calipers were perfectly balanced, the M2C ones adds weight and limits wheel options.
Good exhaust sounds, did not loose anything here. - surprising, you sure you're not just hearing the ASD? No, I put the windows down and ripped thru my favorite railroad underpass in 2nd gear. Then laughed my axx off for the next few minutes. I was also thinking I will need to grow up someday.
Mirrors look cool. - Agreed.
Seats are better. - Agreed.



Couldn't help it.
My one comment in Red.
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      10-29-2020, 06:48 PM   #189
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Negatives:
The push button to turn on the rain sensor wipers is gone from the 17M2. You need to move the lever and adjust the auto wipe speed or rain sensitivity. The lever seems like a cost cutting idea and is like the one in the x3M40. The button felt like quality and was more functional in my opinion.
Awww man! You mean these POS automatic wipers that seem to NEVER go at the speed I need them to go at are a NEW thing? There is no real "Intermittent" setting on the M2c, just auto. It drizzles off and on like 250 days a year here. not having a simple, usable intermittent mode is annoying as hell.
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      10-31-2020, 01:36 PM   #190
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Yep but still a rumor.
Original F87 M2, M2 Competition and M2 CS: I knew a couple of things about these cars quite some time before their official release. The future will tell whether the same applies to the G87 M2 (maybe / maybe not).

And, of course, during development things can take a turn: accurate info at some point in time can become outdated. For example: as we now know, the F87 M2 Competition features 302 kW (410 hp) and has BMW model code '2U71' (EURO-spec LHD), '2U72' (EURO-spec RHD) and '2U73' (US-spec). Well, now look what BMW M badge was apparently supposed to adorn the boot of that car:

Leaked over here in March 2017 ('SOP' = Start Of Production | 'EOP' = End Of Production):


Leaked over here in December 2017:


Leaked over here in January 2018 (US-spec pre-production car built on Jan 23, 2018):


Leaked over here in January 2018:
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Original F87 M2, M2 Competition and M2 CS: I knew a couple of things about these cars quite some time before their official release. The future will tell whether the same applies to the G87 M2 (maybe / maybe not).
And, of course, during development things can take a turn: accurate info at some point in time can become outdated. For example: as we now know, the F87 M2 Competition features 302 kW (410 hp) and has BMW model code '2U71' (EURO-spec LHD), '2U72' (EURO-spec RHD) and '2U73' (US-spec). Well, now look what BMW M badge was apparently supposed to adorn the boot of that car:
You are probably correct but we wont know for sure until we start seeing test mules.
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Yep but still a rumor.
Leaked over here in January 2018
I have photos of an early CS' mule, dated all the way back from August 2018.

Extrapolating from that, I say within a year or so, we should get some sneak-peak photos of a fully-camo G87, rolling around, for a late 2022 production date (2018 - 2020)..

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I have photos of an early CS' mule, dated all the way back from August 2018.
Except if it features M-CCB, the pictured test mule could also be one of these here.
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I have photos of an early CS' mule, dated all the way back from August 2018.
Except if it features M-CCB, the pictured test mule could also be one of these here.
WoW, overload of intricate details, I like..

I gotta say Artemis, you certainly earn your keeps here..
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WoW, overload of intricate details, I like..
I gotta say Artemis, you certainly earn your keeps here..
More stories from the past ? See for example here, here and here.

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I really wanted a CS, but other a badge and and more HP why would I dump 40-50 more K into one?. Carbon fiber roof...yawn, fancy seat stitching...yawn, fat steering wheel.... Same motor as M2C......I really wish it was priced a lot closer to a Comp and I might have ordered one. For 5 K more I can trick out mine and have enough extra money to buy another car. A stock M2/M2c is a platform you can add to. Am I missing anything??
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      11-16-2020, 06:37 AM   #197
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Im on the fence right now looking at M2 vs M2C for a new weekend toy.

I have owned two S55 F80 and while the engine is a powerhouse it sounded so bad in the end I couldnt get over it and sold them. Second was a comp which I had hoped would fix the bad exhaust. Tried aftermarket too. Nothing fixed it.

Anyway... has the M2C done anything to change the way it sounded in my F80? None to test drive close. I ask because of the comments above saying it sounds as good as the N55. If not its OG M2 for me.
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...M2C... sounds as good as the N55.
"As good as" is defined as equally good in this case. It looks as if you'll be hunting for a used M2. Not a bad way to save thousands of dollars.
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