[CannibalOx]

To answer the question directly, I spec'd it that way because I often find myself on canyon roads at dusk/night and there are lots of animals out. I figure the adaptive lights might help in that situation. I also do like the way they look. Additionally I live where the winters are cold enough that having a heated steering wheel is nice.

I too would like it more if the M2s were a bit lighter overall. However, this notion that M cars were ultra light race cars for the road until like 10 years ago is just not true. The company's only attempt at a true super car and a homologation special that they made because they had to are the aberration not the rule. No one bought an E24 M6 because they thought it was a stripped down race car for the road. The only M3 to be lighter than 3k was the E30. Hell, even the E46 CSL was above 3k.

The reason I have always loved M cars is they are such awesome single solution cars. They are pleasant places to be, they have usable space, and they can approach true sports cars in performance. I had a 06 Cayman S for 4 years, and yes I can tell the difference between the M2C and a sub 3k mid-engine car. Honestly, its only really noticeable in tight technical turns. The most noticeable difference is the electric steering of newer car. A lot of the best roads near me are a few hours away and I often string together the close fun roads with the further fun roads to make day trips of 8-12 hours. Without a doubt its better to give up a little in the way of absolute sportiness for some creature comforts, at least for me.

[ZQQM]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Think about me coming out of my Lotus that's 1,890 lbs!

I love the feel of the M2, but it could definitely use a diet.

Curious how you got your Exige down to 1890 lbs. That’s a 6.25% weight reduction over a stock early Exige, listed as 2016 lbs.

My 2008 S240 weighed 2077lbs. stock, and now weighs 2008 lbs, 69 pounds lighter ( recently weighed and corner balanced, half a tank of gas ). This was after a weight reduction program: Shorai battery, CF Tillet seats, RAC wheels, stereo delete, 2Bular Titanium exhaust w/ CF diffuser, rear panel delete, other CF parts.

How did you remove 126 pounds out of a Lotus Exige ?

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ZQQM

Curious how you got your Exige down to 1890 lbs. That’s a 6.25% weight reduction over a stock early Exige, listed as 2016 lbs.

My 2008 S240 weighed 2077lbs. stock, and now weighs 2008 lbs, 69 pounds lighter ( recently weighed and corner balanced, half a tank of gas ). This was after a weight reduction program: Shorai battery, CF Tillet seats, RAC wheels, stereo delete, 2Bular Titanium exhaust w/ CF diffuser, rear panel delete, other CF parts.

How did you remove 126 pounds out of a Lotus Exige ?

Easy.

First, my car is N/A, and weighed 1999 bone stock, full of gas.

Carbon S260 roof
1-off carbon dash
Lighter exhaust (and no cat)
Lighter than stock wheels (Champion Monolites)
Lighter than stock tires (NT01)
V6 Exige carbon seats (9 lbs each)
Lightweight battery (Deka)
Removed a host of things including the airbags, and alarm

There are a few other things I've done, here and there. I'm also lucky to have a friend that has a set of scales.

It'll be lighter still after Winter, as I have some plans

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Adaptive lights was the only reason for me. I then used Bimmercode to program the Euro settings back in...Awesome now

[COChris]

Originally Posted by CannibalOx

To answer the question directly, I spec'd it that way because I often find myself on canyon roads at dusk/night and there are lots of animals out. I figure the adaptive lights might help in that situation. I also do like the way they look. Additionally I live where the winters are cold enough that having a heated steering wheel is nice.

I too would like it more if the M2s were a bit lighter overall. However, this notion that M cars were ultra light race cars for the road until like 10 years ago is just not true. The company's only attempt at a true super car and a homologation special that they made because they had to are the aberration not the rule. No one bought an E24 M6 because they thought it was a stripped down race car for the road. The only M3 to be lighter than 3k was the E30. Hell, even the E46 CSL was above 3k.

When I had my 1M, I'd visit Bimmerpost from time to time. A lot of owners griped about how heavy it was compared to some other car. And a lot of owners also went on and on about how much better the N54 sounded than the new N55 in the M2.

How things change. Weight certainly does matter, but the M2/C is simply a fantastic GT, not a gutted sports car. You will always want what you can't have, and you can never have it all in one car. All of this online car culture hipstering really is out of control.

[j23]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

Adaptive lights was the only reason for me. I then used Bimmercode to program the Euro settings back in...Awesome now

I did this and the lights left me speechless. Such an intelligent system. Actually "adaptive" now.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by COChris

When I had my 1M, I'd visit Bimmerpost from time to time. A lot of owners griped about how heavy it was compared to some other car. And a lot of owners also went on and on about how much better the N54 sounded than the new N55 in the M2.

How things change. Weight certainly does matter, but the M2/C is simply a fantastic GT, not a gutted sports car. You will always want what you can't have, and you can never have it all in one car. All of this online car culture hipstering really is out of control.

Really spot on. I end up holding back on the weight comments a lot. The 718 GT4 is, indeed, a lighter car...for the price of an M2C and a fully loaded Accord combined. I don't doubt that Merc and BMW could match the GT4's weight if they built a car that was the same size and they could charge that much, but they aren't actually playing Porsche's game. Even the internet M2CS reviews that compare the CS to the GT4 are a bit of a joke...auto journalists and YouTubers appear to have forgotten that 20 or 25k is a significant price difference.

Edit - Spec'ing a GT4 to match the features of an M2C came out to 119k, so it's actually an M2CS and a spare fully loaded Accord. Or an M2C and a spare X3 30i.

[j23]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Really spot on. I end up holding back on the weight comments a lot. The 718 GT4 is, indeed, a lighter car...for the price of an M2C and a fully loaded Accord combined. I don't doubt that Merc and BMW could match the GT4's weight if they built a car that was the same size and they could charge that much, but they aren't actually playing Porsche's game. Even the internet M2CS reviews that compare the CS to the GT4 are a bit of a joke...auto journalists and YouTubers appear to have forgotten that 20 or 25k is a significant price difference.

Edit - Spec'ing a GT4 to match the features of an M2C came out to 119k, so it's actually an M2CS and a spare fully loaded Accord. Or an M2C and a spare X3 30i.

You're forgetting that in many other countries, the price of M2CS and GT4 is nearly the same.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Really spot on. I end up holding back on the weight comments a lot. The 718 GT4 is, indeed, a lighter car...for the price of an M2C and a fully loaded Accord combined. I don't doubt that Merc and BMW could match the GT4's weight if they built a car that was the same size and they could charge that much, but they aren't actually playing Porsche's game. Even the internet M2CS reviews that compare the CS to the GT4 are a bit of a joke...auto journalists and YouTubers appear to have forgotten that 20 or 25k is a significant price difference.

Edit - Spec'ing a GT4 to match the features of an M2C came out to 119k, so it's actually an M2CS and a spare fully loaded Accord. Or an M2C and a spare X3 30i.

Meanwhile, the automotive landscape continues to shift towards heavier and heavier cars, especially with the rise of electric vehicles.

I promise you, nobody is going to care that it’s around 3600lbs five years from now.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by j23

You're forgetting that in many other countries, the price of M2CS and GT4 is nearly the same.

I'm not. Most of the posters I'm pointing at about the weight vs. the Porsches are in the US so aren't affected by the weird Porsche vs. BMW UK pricing.

Also, base price on a GT4 vs delivered price are more of a factor than it is for the M2C or CS. It's still CLOSER in the UK, but when US people are making the comparison, it's US prices that matter. Watch a UK video and it's a different story.

[Black Prinz]

I live in rural PA so I spec'ed and sought out the Exec Package because there are lots of pitch dark, twisty 2 lanes with relatively slow speed limits and lots of creatures that have a nasty habit of jumping onto the road at the last minute so the adaptive lights and auto high beams are a must. Heated seats/wheel are nice to haves for this region.

[richard in NC]

Originally Posted by Black Prinz

I live in rural PA so I spec'ed and sought out the Exec Package because there are lots of pitch dark, twisty 2 lanes with relatively slow speed limits and lots of creatures that have a nasty habit of jumping onto the road at the last minute so the adaptive lights and auto high beams are a must. Heated seats/wheel are nice to haves for this region.

Visiting my sister in northern WV is the same. It's not if you'll see a deer, its how many are out there tonight. I want all the lighting and help I can get. I even had night vision on the M550i.

[JCZ5]

I chose this option because why not? Extra features and the adaptive lighting looks cool. No need to justify it other than because you get more cool stuff for an addition ~$1K, which is very reasonable compared to how much the CF bits cost on this car.

[Sublime00]

3 weeks w/ the car and I'm glad I didn't get exec pack

"Normal" lighting is great on the car and I stand by the coronal DRL looking better than hex/angled DRL that come w/ exec pack. There are no lighting issues where you should feel the adaptive lights offer a superior light beam. If you want the adaptive function I understand, I just didn't care about having it.

Just to reiterate that this is my opinion so anyone vacillating on getting exec pack but doesn't think they need or want it, shouldn't feel like they "must" get it bc they're getting shitty or subpar lights.

But if you do want it, more power to you. Just supporting those that don't want it as I know we are in the slim minority.

[mrussell]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

3 weeks w/ the car and I'm glad I didn't get exec pack

"Normal" lighting is great on the car and I stand by the coronal DRL looking better than hex/angled DRL that come w/ exec pack. There are no lighting issues where you should feel the adaptive lights offer a superior light beam. If you want the adaptive function I understand, I just didn't care about having it.

Just to reiterate that this is my opinion so anyone vacillating on getting exec pack but doesn't think they need or want it, shouldn't feel like they "must" get it bc they're getting shitty or subpar lights.

But if you do want it, more power to you. Just supporting those that don't want it as I know we are in the slim minority.

[Economatic]

I was indifferent about how the lights look but I think their swivelly function is nice. Heated steering wheel was also important to me because my hands are always cold (damn Raynaud's).

But the best feature is the wireless phone heater! Seriously, that's all that thing does for some phones.

Overall, the package was worth it to me.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Economatic

I was indifferent about how the lights look but I think their swivelly function is nice. Heated steering wheel was also important to me because my hands are always cold (damn Raynaud's).

But the best feature is the wireless phone heater! Seriously, that's all that thing does for some phones.

Overall, the package was worth it to me.

"Wireless phone heater," that's clever 😂

You win the internet..

[GarageMadness]

LED headlights.

[Sublime00]

Originally Posted by GarageMadness

LED headlights.

Exec and non exec both get LED.

[grl.racr]

Interesting.. the adaptive lights come standard on the competition in Canada

[GarageMadness]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

Exec and non exec both get LED.

Originally Posted by mrs.boost

Interesting.. the adaptive lights come standard on the competition in Canada

Meant to say adaptive LEDs. Other options for me now that I've driven the car for several months:

Wireless charging (doesn't work that well although my new iPhone charges quicker than Pixel), Wi-Fi hotspot (never used it yet and mostly a nice passenger function on a trip), heated steering-wheel rim (heats okay but not great but used a few times on cold evenings to keep myself warm without turning heat on), automated high-beams (enjoy this feature for highway driving for sure), and speed-limit information (like having this so I can glance keep myself in check cause I'm usually hoonin the car too much ).

[Kankles]

Manual seats, MT and no LEDs...so "raw" I call her "Rawdog"