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      05-26-2020, 08:20 AM   #23
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Well this topic started with a typical BTG vs testlap BS statement
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However, if you invest this significant in upgrades, why are those heavy shitty brakes still up there ? They even look toast !
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I think you could rebuild the 2NH calipers 1,000 times before equaling the cost of the AP brake kit.
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Nice! Looking forward to hearing back! The stock blue brakes are great until they fade, which tends to be around 15-20 mins with the pagid's. You probably won't see too much of a difference early because both the blue brakes and the 2NH brakes have more than enough braking force to lock the wheels, the difference mainly comes in when heat plays a role in brake fade.
I suspect I will fade faster anyways as we are at my home track I know well and my friend is tracking here for the 1st time

Yeah the APs will be sick!!!
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I think you could rebuild the 2NH calipers 1,000 times before equaling the cost of the AP brake kit.
Not so sure 2NH pads and disks are pricey. I burn through a set of stock seals in 3-4 trackdays... If I were to replace seals that often the APs get cheap fast.

+ your OEM brakes wont wear on the shelf and when you part out the APs you can still get decent cash for em.
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CSF Cooling : This is a really impressive accomplishment. Equally impressive is how collected and planted the car looks throughout the lap. The combo of driver and car almost make it look easy. Comfort is not a priority when building a dedicated track car. They clearly know how to dial in a suspension. I'm hoping you can reach out to them for an answer to the following:

Where do you believe you could place a car, within the above lap times, that is also comfortable to DD and take long trips? I know this a subjective question. I think the answer could be extremely useful when setting expectations and coming from a group this knowledgeable adds weight to the response. Thanks
NURBURGRING is made for daily cars bc of the variety of straights and corners. It's better to compare/configure a trans powerband than a motors power band. All are unique to each other hence indy, endurance races popularity. More delivery than power level.

Same motor but single or twin turbo or the size but reduced in power. But avg 400-550 is a daily hp than could do a decent time on the Nurburgring (bc of variety of straights and corners)
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      05-26-2020, 02:07 PM   #28
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While the OP is clearly just an advertisement for CSF, I'm not sure how you got to those $$$ numbers. Just because this car has these mods doesn't mean you can't get to the same level much cheaper.

For example, KW V3 don't cost 10k. And an M4 GTS wing for more downforce is currently $700 from Suvneer, why would you pay 4k for it?
LOL, ok. So if you want a suspension set up that is worthy of this run its going to run you at least 10K Euro and that is w KW. (alignment, balancing, links etc). Charge cooler alone rad and tranny cooler is 2424£ plus 684£.

Here is a list of parts on that car. GTS-Heckflügel in Carbon 3-stufig verstellbar
Spoilerschwert von MTC
KW Clubsport 3-fach Gewindefahrwerk
HRE Performance Wheels R101 LW 19 Zoll in 9,5x19 ET25 und 10,5x19 ET35 Farbe: Brushed Dark Clear
Akrapovic Evolution Line aus 100% Titan
TurboPerformance Softwareoptimierung auf 430 PS und 620 NM
GTS-Schubabschaltung
GTS-Getriebesoftware
Carbondach im M4 Look
GTS Carbon Motorhaube
Wasser-Methanol Einspritzung
HJS Downpipe 300 Zellen
Endless Bremsbeläge VA/HA
Evolity Stahlflex-Leitungen
Recaro Pole Position im GTS-Style
Wiechers Clubsport-Bügel
Schroth 4-Punkt Gurte
Awron Datendisplay
Lenkrad in Alcantara und roter 12-Uhr-Markierung
EVENTURI Carbon Ansaugsystem
Türen-Innenverkleidung aus Carbon

Sure the wing you like is made of- Build material: fiber-reinforced polymer & glossy carbon fiber overlay for 699 usd.

Cheap stuff that is no TUV approved is unlikely to make it on that car. If you like going cheap quality its your choice (remember the guy who lost his legs in South Africa while racing his M3. )

Look wise I am sure you can get the car to the same level for significantly less. Ebay is a great source. LOL Anyhow mate, don't get offended. Look for genuine or race proven parts.

After all I am pretty sure you would not be tossing on eBay parts on a GT2 RS to call it MR simply for the look.
Bc racing on a 335 e92 for 1k has done sub 8
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Man I hate it when a supposed heat management specialist uses incorrect terms.

To spell it out.....a car in motion can never suffer from heat soak. Let's just say that again for the slow ones in the back. A car in motion can never suffer from heat soak. Got it?
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Man I hate it when a supposed heat management specialist uses incorrect terms.

To spell it out.....a car in motion can never suffer from heat soak. Let's just say that again for the slow ones in the back. A car in motion can never suffer from heat soak. Got it?
If you want to get into specifics, you're only 1/2 right - I have a masters in thermal engineering (owner of CSF)
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Nice! Looking forward to hearing back! The stock blue brakes are great until they fade, which tends to be around 15-20 mins with the pagid's. You probably won't see too much of a difference early because both the blue brakes and the 2NH brakes have more than enough braking force to lock the wheels, the difference mainly comes in when heat plays a role in brake fade.
Well sadly have very little to report. Constant red flags mean that we had to stop every 10-15min anyways. It got a bit ridiculous we would get ready to go back out on track (helmet on etc) and by the time we got to the pit lane it was closed again for another red flag!

I did start fading them after 4-5 hard laps (10-15min) but the RSLs were great and my favorite track pad so far.

My friend did not push his car as hard, he has less exp than me and it was hard to learn the brand new track with all sorts of GT Porsche cars and race cars flying around.
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      05-28-2020, 04:56 AM   #32
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Well sadly have very little to report. Constant red flags mean that we had to stop every 10-15min anyways. It got a bit ridiculous we would get ready to go back out on track (helmet on etc) and by the time we got to the pit lane it was closed again for another red flag!

I did start fading them after 4-5 hard laps (10-15min) but the RSLs were great and my favorite track pad so far.

My friend did not push his car as hard, he has less exp than me and it was hard to learn the brand new track with all sorts of GT Porsche cars and race cars flying around.
Aww man that sucks to hear.
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Nothing, but they still have internal rubber seals which can still melt on the track. They're relatively solid brakes, but still lack the things that make top tier brakes the best, such as the slotted pistons to prevent heat transfer, internal seals to prevent them from melting, anodized coating to prevent paint fade, still not as stiff as AP racing for example etc.
I replace the rubber seals every one or two years on my blue callipers.....
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Tomorrow I go to my local track. I have blue brakes with Pagid RSL29 pads and my friend will have 2NH brakes with Pagid RSL29. Will be interesting to see the deltas. Both cars are M2Cs he has a manual with manual seats I have DCT and elec seats (prob 50kg diff).

I just ordered an AP racing setup for the front similar to essexs but locally sourced as customs are killer
Would be interesting to know if there is a big difference between the 2NH brakes vs Blue brakes (on track with RSL29)?
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Well this topic started with a typical BTG vs testlap BS statement
Apples vs Bananas. Both taste good by the way

However, if you invest this significant in upgrades, why are those heavy shitty brakes still up there ? They even look toast !
Nürburgring is not that heavy for the brakes...
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Nice driving in a very balanced car, regardless of times or self promotion.
Car looked great.
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Ever wondered what the fastest S55-powered run is around the Nurburgring? Well, it's 7 minutes and 12 seconds – that's faster than the Porsche 991 GT3, Dodge Viper ACR, and Lexus LFA.

…Ran by none other than TPS Performance's M2 Competition.





TPS Performance had ran an impressive time of 7:22 in their non-Competition M2 – so they had to return with their modded M2 Comp. to attempt to beat it, and that they did.

Watch the video here:


The car features KW Competition 3-Way adjustable suspension, Michelin semi-slicks, a tune, and is pushing 520 horsepower. When going for a new record, ideally, the car's setup, the conditions, and the driver's knowledge of the track are all in-line. While the car and the driver, Alex Hardt, had two of these three things covered, the weather was a different story.





Alex claimed the day of this run was the hottest he had ever experienced on the track, with an ambient temperature of 98°F/36°C. Fitted with CSF's 3-piece cooling package, the car's IATs were kept in check and heat soak wasn't an issue – allowing for consistent power delivery throughout the entire run, and helping the TPS Performance team to their new lap record of 7:12.



Top Mount Dual-Pass Charge-Air-Cooler (CSF #8082 / #8082R)
• World's 1st Cast Endtank Designed Top Mount Charge-Air-Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine
• Multiple Air Dividers Cast Into Both Hot/Cold Side Endtanks for Optimized Air Flow Through the Custom Designed CSF Liquid-to-Air Core (CFD Analysis and Testing Completed to Ensure Optimal Performance)
• 60% Increase in Core Size Compared to the OEM Cooler
• Left/Right, Cross-Flow, Dual-Pass Core Configuration with 2-Stage Water Cooling for Maximum Efficiency and Intake Temperature Reduction (vs. OEM Single-Pass Vertical-Flow Design)
• Designed with 3D Scanning/Rapid Prototype Technology to Ensure Precise Fitment and Maximum Surface Area Utilization
• "Drop-in Fit" Design for an Easy & Quick Plug-and-Play Installation, Complete with OEM-Style "Quick-Connect" Water Connections and Sensor Ports
• Finished with a Professional "Crinkle Black" Powder-Coated Finish (CSF #8082), Also Available in Raw Aluminum with Option for Custom Powder-Coating Available (CSF #8082R)



Front Mount Heat Exchanger (CSF #8075 / 8075V)
• 2-row 42mm Core (Dual Core) Featuring CSF's Exclusive B-tube Technology
• Ultra-Efficient6.5mm Tall Fins w/ Multi-Louvered Design for Maximum Surface Area Contact
• Dual-Pass Flow Structure Allows the Coolant to Flow Across the Core of the Radiator Two Times Before Exiting the Radiator for the Lowest Outlet Temperature Possible (OEM Style Design)
• CNC Machined, OEM-Style "Quick-Connect" Inlet/Outlet Connections, Mounting Brackets, and Fittings
• Includes Removable Aluminum Rock Guard
• All-Aluminum Race Style Drain Plug
• 1-Hour "Mirror Finish" Hand Polished (#8075) OR Black Powder-Coated Version (#8075V)
• "Drop-in Fit" Requiring No Modifications to Install



Dual-Pass Race-Spec DCT Transmission Cooler (CSF #8081)
• Made with CSF's AC Condenser Technology w/ a 1-Row Super-High Pressure 26mm Multi-Channel Microtube
• 10 Cooling Tubes vs. OEM Single-Pass with Return Pipe 6-Tube Design
• High-Density Multi-Louvered Fin Design
• "Drop-in Fit" Requiring No Modifications to Install
• Lab Tested at ~30% More Efficient Than the OEM Cooler
• World's 1st and Only True "Plug-and-Play" Upgraded DCT Transmission Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine

Learn More About CSF's 3-Piece Cooling Kit Here: https://csfrace.com/bmw-f8x-m3-m4-cooling/
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Ever wondered what the fastest S55-powered run is around the Nurburgring? Well, it's 7 minutes and 12 seconds – that's faster than the Porsche 991 GT3, Dodge Viper ACR, and Lexus LFA.

…Ran by none other than TPS Performance's M2 Competition.

[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploa...Untitled-1.png[/IMG]

TPS Performance had ran an impressive time of 7:22 in their non-Competition M2 – so they had to return with their modded M2 Comp. to attempt to beat it, and that they did.

Watch the video here:


The car features KW Competition 3-Way adjustable suspension, Michelin semi-slicks, a tune, and is pushing 520 horsepower. When going for a new record, ideally, the car's setup, the conditions, and the driver's knowledge of the track are all in-line. While the car and the driver, Alex Hardt, had two of these three things covered, the weather was a different story.

[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1.jpg[/IMG]

Alex claimed the day of this run was the hottest he had ever experienced on the track, with an ambient temperature of 98°F/36°C. Fitted with CSF's 3-piece cooling package, the car's IATs were kept in check and heat soak wasn't an issue – allowing for consistent power delivery throughout the entire run, and helping the TPS Performance team to their new lap record of 7:12.

[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploa...9584002924.jpg[/IMG]

Top Mount Dual-Pass Charge-Air-Cooler (CSF #8082 / #8082R)
• World's 1st Cast Endtank Designed Top Mount Charge-Air-Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine
• Multiple Air Dividers Cast Into Both Hot/Cold Side Endtanks for Optimized Air Flow Through the Custom Designed CSF Liquid-to-Air Core (CFD Analysis and Testing Completed to Ensure Optimal Performance)
• 60% Increase in Core Size Compared to the OEM Cooler
• Left/Right, Cross-Flow, Dual-Pass Core Configuration with 2-Stage Water Cooling for Maximum Efficiency and Intake Temperature Reduction (vs. OEM Single-Pass Vertical-Flow Design)
• Designed with 3D Scanning/Rapid Prototype Technology to Ensure Precise Fitment and Maximum Surface Area Utilization
• "Drop-in Fit" Design for an Easy & Quick Plug-and-Play Installation, Complete with OEM-Style "Quick-Connect" Water Connections and Sensor Ports
• Finished with a Professional "Crinkle Black" Powder-Coated Finish (CSF #8082), Also Available in Raw Aluminum with Option for Custom Powder-Coating Available (CSF #8082R)

[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploa...4.20.06-PM.jpg[/IMG]

Front Mount Heat Exchanger (CSF #8075 / 8075V)
• 2-row 42mm Core (Dual Core) Featuring CSF's Exclusive B-tube Technology
• Ultra-Efficient6.5mm Tall Fins w/ Multi-Louvered Design for Maximum Surface Area Contact
• Dual-Pass Flow Structure Allows the Coolant to Flow Across the Core of the Radiator Two Times Before Exiting the Radiator for the Lowest Outlet Temperature Possible (OEM Style Design)
• CNC Machined, OEM-Style "Quick-Connect" Inlet/Outlet Connections, Mounting Brackets, and Fittings
• Includes Removable Aluminum Rock Guard
• All-Aluminum Race Style Drain Plug
• 1-Hour "Mirror Finish" Hand Polished (#8075) OR Black Powder-Coated Version (#8075V)
• "Drop-in Fit" Requiring No Modifications to Install

[IMG]https://csfrace.com/wp-content/uploa...9584018848.jpg[/IMG]

Dual-Pass Race-Spec DCT Transmission Cooler (CSF #8081)
• Made with CSF's AC Condenser Technology w/ a 1-Row Super-High Pressure 26mm Multi-Channel Microtube
• 10 Cooling Tubes vs. OEM Single-Pass with Return Pipe 6-Tube Design
• High-Density Multi-Louvered Fin Design
• "Drop-in Fit" Requiring No Modifications to Install
• Lab Tested at ~30% More Efficient Than the OEM Cooler
• World's 1st and Only True "Plug-and-Play" Upgraded DCT Transmission Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine

Learn More About CSF's 3-Piece Cooling Kit Here: https://csfrace.com/bmw-f8x-m3-m4-cooling/
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