[620turbo]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Yeah the N55 was def on its last legs due to emissions but it didn't have much left let alone for a competition model. I too owned the OG M2 swapped turbos and all I can still state with ease the M2C is a better car in every aspect well aside from exhaust note lol.

Swapped turbos plural?

In terms of better car in every aspect, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree and argue it is down to requirements and personal preference as previously stated. I had long, hard test drives in both before I made up my mind.

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

As for suspension the parts are different but how much that's how to debate still.

You are mistaken. The suspension is the same. Go and check the part numbers.

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

On the DCT front I have no clue as I never would buy an M car in automatic. Manual transmission is a must for me as these cars are intended to be driven that way

Good for you but once again, others have different limitations, requirements and objectives.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Yeah the N55 was def on its last legs due to emissions but it didn't have much left let alone for a competition model. I too owned the OG M2 swapped turbos and all I can still state with ease the M2C is a better car in every aspect well aside from exhaust note lol. As for suspension the parts are different but how much that's how to debate still. On the DCT front I have no clue as I never would buy an M car in automatic. Manual transmission is a must for me as these cars are intended to be driven that way

I bought a DCT for the first time with my M2. When the acceleration and mileage is better with a DCT than a manual it makes you think. Also, our lead track instructor bought an M2 DCT and love it.

[AlpsRider]

People have personal reasons for choosing the DCT. Personally I have nothing against them but since I don't commute in traffic and I'm pretty good with a stick shift I opted to save the $3,500.

[620turbo]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

People have personal reasons for choosing the DCT. Personally I have nothing against them but since I don't commute in traffic and I'm pretty good with a stick shift I opted to save the $3,500.

Yep, The DCT is excellent for me as the M2 is my daily and I have some right shoulder problems so two hands available for steering at all times is safer.

However, I also have a Z4M roadster 6 speed manual for hooning about on weekends on quiet roads without traffic if I feel like it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I can't understand "high seating" position comments. I'm 6'2" and taller in the torso, and I have trouble with headroom in a lot of cars and any BMW if I'm wearing a helmet and it has a sunroof....like my E39 M5 - with a helmet on I had immediate full contact with the roof and had to adjust the seating position to a crazy and uncomfortable angle to fit in the car. One of the many reasons I hate sunroofs.

My E90 M3 is a slicktop, so lots of extra headroom, but even in that car with the seat adjusted all the way down, I have about 2 finger widths of room or less.

The M2C slicktop with the new design seat adjusted all the way down yields more than twice that amount of room as the M3. I feel like the M2C seat sits very low in the car in fact. One of the reasons I love the new (well M4) seats. As soon as I get in the M3, I lament the nice low seating available in the M2C.

It's interesting that you say that about the E92 - we have an F80 and OG M2 and the seating position (height-wise) might be my biggest gripe with the car. I am just under 6'0 and I feel like my head is coming out of the roof in the OG M2 (slicktop, no sunroof).

In the F80, it feels much lower when you're in the driver's seat. No empirical data to back that up, but I have definitely noticed a difference between the two. I was hoping the M3 seats in the M2C would help, but chris719 didn't seem to think it made any difference....

[chris719]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It's interesting that you say that about the E92 - we have an F80 and OG M2 and the seating position (height-wise) might be my biggest gripe with the car. I am just under 6'0 and I feel like my head is coming out of the roof in the OG M2 (slicktop, no sunroof).

In the F80, it feels much lower when you're in the driver's seat. No empirical data to back that up, but I have definitely noticed a difference between the two. I was hoping the M3 seats in the M2C would help, but chris719 didn't seem to think it made any difference....

It's been a year between the two so hard to really say. If anything, I noticed it less in the OG M2 vs the M2C I drove on Sunday.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It's interesting that you say that about the E92 - we have an F80 and OG M2 and the seating position (height-wise) might be my biggest gripe with the car. I am just under 6'0 and I feel like my head is coming out of the roof in the OG M2 (slicktop, no sunroof).

In the F80, it feels much lower when you're in the driver's seat. No empirical data to back that up, but I have definitely noticed a difference between the two. I was hoping the M3 seats in the M2C would help, but chris719 didn't seem to think it made any difference....

I can definitely say that's not the case with the M2C slicktop. There is much more room with the seat all the way down than in my E90 M3 slicktop, and from driving the F80 M3 numerous times, I think there is more room than that car also (carbon roof example of course). Granted, all of these thoughts are due to "number of fingers measuring" with the seats down as far as possible. It would be best to actually measure each car. I'll see about doing that with my two at some point (seat all the way down, center of seat near the rear to headliner).

[F87EVO]

In terms of look and sound? :

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by chris719

It's been a year between the two so hard to really say. If anything, I noticed it less in the OG M2 vs the M2C I drove on Sunday.

Fair enough - I just notice it each time I get into the OG after driving the F80...need to try out the M2C.

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I can definitely say that's not the case with the M2C slicktop. There is much more room with the seat all the way down than in my E90 M3 slicktop, and from driving the F80 M3 numerous times, I think there is more room than that car also (carbon roof example of course). Granted, all of these thoughts are due to "number of fingers measuring" with the seats down as far as possible. It would be best to actually measure each car. I'll see about doing that with my two at some point (seat all the way down, center of seat near the rear to headliner).

I wonder if it's more a perception thing, rather than you're actually sitting higher or lower in one or the other. I might try to figure out a way to measure, because now I am more curious.

[c_w]

I have an 18 lci; Does anyone know why in full auto mode in say Sport mode shifting full throttle at redline the shifts are fast and with the big kick/jerk like in manual mode? Why cant manual flat shifts be like this?

[M Fifty]

Interesting. The reason I didn't go for the DCT was the way the shifts happened in the three different modes seemed to be more about marketing than actual performance.

So in Sport they were quick and smooth shifts.

In Comfort they were quick and smooth shifts - but I had to wait a bit before they happened after tapping the paddle.

In Sport+ they were no quicker than in Sport, but just smacked the gears home.

I bought a 6MT. I now need to have it spinning North of 5k rpm to stop turbo lag between shifts, but I'm happy...

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Fair enough - I just notice it each time I get into the OG after driving the F80...need to try out the M2C.



I wonder if it's more a perception thing, rather than you're actually sitting higher or lower in one or the other. I might try to figure out a way to measure, because now I am more curious.

Just measured the two (E90 M3 vs M2C both slicktops). The M2C has just over 1/2" of more room with the seats in each all the way down. I measured from the base of the seat near the backrest up to the headliner. The "problem" with the E90 is that there is a ridge that is 1/2" lower along the headliner from the door inward about 4" that runs from front to back; hence when you wear a helmet, you can contact that some first (i.e. 1" less room than M2C in that area).

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by M Fifty

Interesting. The reason I didn't go for the DCT was the way the shifts happened in the three different modes seemed to be more about marketing than actual performance.

So in Sport they were quick and smooth shifts.

In Comfort they were quick and smooth shifts - but I had to wait a bit before they happened after tapping the paddle.

In Sport+ they were no quicker than in Sport, but just smacked the gears home.

I bought a 6MT. I now need to have it spinning North of 5k rpm to stop turbo lag between shifts, but I'm happy...

Gas consumption

[akkando]

Originally Posted by 620turbo

It isn't like that on my OG M2. If I drive hard in comfort mode, the shifts are more aggressive and faster. In Sport, they are more aggressive still I agree but it is a lot to do with the drivelogic computer assessing how you are driving using the accelerator pedal position as well as the driving mode you are in.

From the F87 M2 technical training manual:

"In all three modes, the shift points and shift dynamics, among
other things, are influenced by the accelerator pedal position"

Well I don't like to have to have my foot planted in it to get it to shift quickly, so I would select the drive logic that matches the kind of shifting I want.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

Yeah the N55 was def on its last legs due to emissions but it didn't have much left let alone for a competition model. I too owned the OG M2 swapped turbos and all I can still state with ease the M2C is a better car in every aspect well aside from exhaust note lol. As for suspension the parts are different but how much that's how to debate still. On the DCT front I have no clue as I never would buy an M car in automatic. Manual transmission is a must for me as these cars are intended to be driven that way

They would have just done the seats, the badge, new wheels, maybe the mirrors, maybe suspension, then all the black accents stock and called it a Comp model at a higher price. Maybe offer the brakes as an option? Then offer the S55 in the CS model with the alcantara and badges.

The way it turned out though the S55 unfortunately for BMW ended up in the Comp model because of emissions giving the M2 a performance bump they didn't want to give it to new buyers at base prices. Lucky for new customers.

[Bimmer28312]

Originally Posted by 620turbo

Swapped turbos plural?

In terms of better car in every aspect, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree and argue it is down to requirements and personal preference as previously stated. I had long, hard test drives in both before I made up my mind.



You are mistaken. The suspension is the same. Go and check the part numbers.



Good for you but once again, others have different limitations, requirements and objectives.

And with the turbo verbage I used(twin scroll single turbo) yup your an OG owner lol. Nothing wrong with it at all but stop defending it there's no need. In terms of it being "better" obviously it's very subjective but clearly I'm not saying it in that way. The M2C is a superior sports car in terms of performance period you cannot argue that point one bit.

[GerardzM]

You still weren't satisfied with a turbo swap on an N55?

A PS2 N55 at full tilt is nuts, not sure what more anyone could ask for.

We should all be happy to at least have options.

[Bimmer28312]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

You still weren't satisfied with a turbo swap on an N55?

A PS2 N55 at full tilt is nuts, not sure what more anyone could ask for.

We should all be happy to at least have options.

I decided to go with the full Dinan route since I already did the intercooler and exhaust which I was extremely happy with. I was than on the fence to either go full Dinan or go with pure. I decided to go with the milder upgrade knowing pure was superior in power and more options like fuel etc. In the end I just had tons of fun with my M2 and sold it to someone who would enjoy it just as much. If I had to do it again though I'd go with pure. The stock N55 just wasn't really meant to be in an M car imho but that's a whole other conversation to be had. In the end guys doesn't matter what M2 you have it's a great car but doesn't perform as well as the M2C but that's to be expected.

[Ikester19]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It's interesting that you say that about the E92 - we have an F80 and OG M2 and the seating position (height-wise) might be my biggest gripe with the car. I am just under 6'0 and I feel like my head is coming out of the roof in the OG M2 (slicktop, no sunroof).

In the F80, it feels much lower when you're in the driver's seat. No empirical data to back that up, but I have definitely noticed a difference between the two. I was hoping the M3 seats in the M2C would help, but chris719 didn't seem to think it made any difference....

Im 5.8" and I feel the same about the seating position in my OG M2. We have a F30 and I feel the ergonomics in this car is a lot better for me. When I get into the M2 the drivers seat seems "smaller" although as far as I can see they are much the same in size, width etc. Furthermore the centre armrest in the M2 seems to be too high which leads my arm to be "flying" when on the armrest as opposed to be falling/resting naturally when sitting in the same position in the F30. It took me 3 months to find an acceptable seating position in the M2 but is still not quite right!

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

I decided to go with the full Dinan route since I already did the intercooler and exhaust which I was extremely happy with. I was than on the fence to either go full Dinan or go with pure. I decided to go with the milder upgrade knowing pure was superior in power and more options like fuel etc. In the end I just had tons of fun with my M2 and sold it to someone who would enjoy it just as much. If I had to do it again though I'd go with pure. The stock N55 just wasn't really meant to be in an M car imho but that's a whole other conversation to be had. In the end guys doesn't matter what M2 you have it's a great car but doesn't perform as well as the M2C but that's to be expected.

Not stock N55 - don’t be dumb

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Ikester19

Im 5.8" and I feel the same about the seating position in my OG M2. We have a F30 and I feel the ergonomics in this car is a lot better for me. When I get into the M2 the drivers seat seems "smaller" although as far as I can see they are much the same in size, width etc. Furthermore the centre armrest in the M2 seems to be too high which leads my arm to be "flying" when on the armrest as opposed to be falling/resting naturally when sitting in the same position in the F30. It took me 3 months to find an acceptable seating position in the M2 but is still not quite right!

I can definitely see how the armrest could get in the way - especially for those who have a MT. If I am shifting manually with the DCT, but using the actual gear selector, my elbow seems to hit or move the armrest unintentionally. Small annoyance, but noticeable for sure.

[Bimmer28312]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Not stock N55 - don’t be dumb

Ok let me dumb it down for you even more. Stock meaning stock as it came onto the F87 platform. Don't be that guy with that comment lol clearly I'm talking about stock on the M2.