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      11-01-2015, 12:19 PM   #23
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OP says he needs better fuel efficiency.

I actually like the Camaro SS idea. Then again, I am older than most in this group and just might prefer a muscle car to one that trades horsepower for a more track focused chassis. Only drawback to the SS is the interior is nowhere near what comes in a BMW.
I don't care so much about the interior as long as the car drives well, has a good look (exterior), and doesn't get less than 17-18mpg. Only thing that would bother me is the rattles inside the due to bad build quality.

However, I don't think Camaro SS would get more than 15mpg in the city. I just checked fueleconomy.gov and even the V6 has 18mpg.
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Yesterday I emailed almost all the dealerships in CA. I'm going to share my conversation with one of them today. So I got a voicemail from the "Fleet Manager & European Delivery Specialist" which I will refer as CA in the dialog below. First, let me copy the voicemail here:

"Good afternoon. Regarding the order, no problem. Number one. We do not charge over MSRP. We do not charge under MSRP. Basically, the MSRP on that vehicle is MSRP and you can choose either lease or purchase. To put your name and qualification on that vehicle, I need to get all your information including a credit application and then I can put you on the waiting list. Or if you have a question give me a call at ..."

These are his own words. I haven't changed anything. As you can see, his English was not very clear but the moment I heard "NUMBER ONE", I thought maybe I will be the first person on their list and immediately called him.

Here's the phone conversation between me and him (CA):

me: Hello , I received your voicemail about my inquiry for M2. I would like to get more information and possibly put my name down on the waitlist.

CA: Sure, no problem. What's your question?

me: How many people do you have on your list currently?

CA: It doesn't matter how many people on the list. You will get your car once you are "qualified".

me: No, it's important to me because I don't think you will get let's say 100 M2s next year. Therefore, the number of people on the list will determine when I will get the car.

CA: Well, it doesn't matter. We are the number one dealership in western US. (he was probably referring to being the number one dealership in his voicemail ). There are currently 32 people on the list.

me: Wow 32 is a lot for a waitlist. This is why I wanted to know how many people you guys have on file already.

CA: But not all of them are going to qualify. You might not qualify either.

me: What do you mean by "qualify"? All you need is my credit worthiness and deposit right. How else do you determine if I can qualify?

CA: Let me tell you something. Do you remember the first time M1 came out?

me: M1 or 1M?

CA: M1 or 1M, same thing.

me: Well they are not the same at all. (At this point, the conversation was over for me but I didn't want to be rude and waited for him to finish what type of bs he was gonna say)

CA: I got 7 allocations for that car. I had a huge waitlist. When we asked for $5K deposit, only 2 people showed up.

me: Ok, thank you very much for all the information. If I decide to put my name down, I'll give you a call.

It is just hilarious to see how someone can become a Fleet Manager/ED Specialist by not knowing the difference between M1 and 1M on top of all other bs.
The best information from that exchange is that the particular dealer got 7 1M allocations.

That fleet manager was bragging, because 7 is a lot when you consider there were 740 1Ms delivered and i would bet that no dealer in the country got more than 7-9. I rather doubt that any Texas dealer got that many.

That info is also a very good predictor of how many M2s will come in .. Because EVENI IF THEY DOUBLE U.S. PRODUCTION ' , the busiest dealers would only get around one allocation a month.
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      11-02-2015, 09:29 AM   #25
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Have you considered the new 2016 CLA45? For 2016 its getting a power bump to 381hp, a locking differential, and revised transmission. With the new changes, its going to be a direct competitor to the M2.
I'd love to see an actual review of the CLA45 where its compared to the 2014-2015 MY and other performance coupes/sedans. Its always been a fast car, but the car was panned as not being engaging to drive.

A head to head between the 45 and the M2 would be awesome!
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      11-02-2015, 09:31 AM   #26
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this is the game i just am not prepared to play, dont care for BS dealer talk ..i will find one that will just give me the car for MSRP am prepared to drive all over
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      11-02-2015, 09:43 AM   #27
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You are not to late at all. You have to broaden your search. Call ALL dealers in California and if that doesn't work call Oregon, Arizona, Neveda, etc.

If you really want an M2 you can get one. You just have to be determined.
This is great advice. Except for the Oregon part. That just makes my wait longer.
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      11-02-2015, 01:36 PM   #28
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I don't care so much about the interior as long as the car drives well, has a good look (exterior), and doesn't get less than 17-18mpg. Only thing that would bother me is the rattles inside the due to bad build quality.

However, I don't think Camaro SS would get more than 15mpg in the city. I just checked fueleconomy.gov and even the V6 has 18mpg.

A Stingray with the same engine and transmission is rated at 17 in town, so the Camaro might match that or get 16 mpg. Stingray's are rated for 29 on the highway. DCT's do not have the extreme overdrive available on a Stingray and will probably only rate around 25 on the highway. My 135i with a DCT is rated 18/25. I usually get 20 in the city and 28 on the highway.
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      11-02-2015, 06:10 PM   #29
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Can we do PCD on the West Coast now?
ummmm.. yes.....

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1042683
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      11-02-2015, 07:15 PM   #30
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Oh sweet! Been waiting for that. I was out of the country on vacay so I missed that announcement.
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      11-02-2015, 07:28 PM   #31
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I'm either going to get an M2 to go beside my 1M or trade/sell my 1M to get the new C63S AMG Coupe. I know way different cars but the AMG is AWESOME and have you seen the pics of the grey one floating around? Beautiful! $$$
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      11-02-2015, 10:31 PM   #32
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I'm either going to get an M2 to go beside my 1M or trade/sell my 1M to get the new C63S AMG Coupe. I know way different cars but the AMG is AWESOME and have you seen the pics of the grey one floating around? Beautiful! $$$
I'm in a similar situation too If I cannot get an M2, I might try to increase my budget for a MT M4 but I don't think my wife is gonna be happy about that
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      11-03-2015, 11:00 AM   #33
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My first choice would have been a Cayman GT4 but the situation is even worse it is also a bit more expensive. Another possibility wich would have been cheaper was buying a used 1M.
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      11-03-2015, 11:05 AM   #34
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I honestly think the new Camaro 2SS is really sweet. It sounds really good and the interior is fresh. Still don't like the Hot-wheels look about it, though. It is unquestionably badass, however.
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      11-03-2015, 12:37 PM   #35
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I have been trying really hard to put my name down on a waitlist since last week. Finally, I found a dealership in CA and I'm the number 4. We'll see if I will be able to get this beauty
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Personally deciding among for DD, trying to decide if the higher end stuff is worth more over m2:

cayman s
m2 (#1 on local list)
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jcw mini (used to have one, tons of fun)
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      11-03-2015, 02:46 PM   #37
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For me there are no alternatives...
The wife said:
1. It has to be German
2. It has to be a coupe
3. It can't be a Mercedes
4. It can't be an A/S 5, she doesn't like the look
5. It can't be a VW, just because it can't

Hence, M2. My wife makes great decisions!
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For me there are no alternatives...
The wife said:
1. It has to be German
2. It has to be a coupe
3. It can't be a Mercedes
4. It can't be an A/S 5, she doesn't like the look
5. It can't be a VW, just because it can't

Hence, M2. My wife makes great decisions!
911 Turbo S?
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      11-03-2015, 03:26 PM   #39
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Personally deciding among for DD, trying to decide if the higher end stuff is worth more over m2:

cayman s
m2 (#1 on local list)
c7
f80
jcw mini (used to have one, tons of fun)
That's a great list - I think a 1M or used 991 (S, turbo, whatever - as you allude to in your other post) would be additional used cars to add to the list.

I prefer new cars and wasn't prepared to stay in my 235 for another year, so I got a 981 CS and have been very happy.

My girl is looking at an F80 or potentially an M2, so I might end up with the best of both worlds - NA goodness and some turbo-torque.

My folks have a Mini Countryman S and that thing is a ton of fun...I am sure the JCW would be a blast.
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It's funny how things work out.

I was #1 on waiting list for 1M when I had 135i. I ended up forfeiting my position, because 135i was just 2 years old at a time.

I was hoping one day I will get M2 when it is ready. Each year I was contacting back to my CA, making sure that I got M2 waiting list covered. Once I came to Steven's Creek BMW for service and talk to CA about M2, they laughed at me because car wasn't even in plans, but I insisted about it, and they ended up creating a new folder for me.

And finally one day before M2 was announced, I put an order for M4 and now I'm waiting for it to be shipped to CA. M2 will definitely be a good car, no questions, but it just seems not good enough.
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911 Turbo S?
great choice, but we kinda have that covered, other car is already a 911 Carrera...not the Turbo though.
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CA: I got 7 allocations for that car. I had a huge waitlist. When we asked for $5K deposit, only 2 people showed up.
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The best information from that exchange is that the particular dealer got 7 1M allocations.
Maybe more something like:
  • CA: I got 7 allocations for that car.
  • me: Could you please disclose the breakdown of those 7 allocations ?
  • CA: One couple with two kids and another couple with one child.
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OP, you should get you a slightly used Corvette Stingray. I was never a big fan of the Corvettes, or most domestic cars, but after driving this beast for sometime I would definitely recommend it.
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For me there are no alternatives...
The wife said:
1. It has to be German
2. It has to be a coupe
3. It can't be a Mercedes
4. It can't be an A/S 5, she doesn't like the look
5. It can't be a VW, just because it can't

Hence, M2. My wife makes great decisions!
911 Turbo S?
That's a VW.
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