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      06-22-2015, 02:56 AM   #23
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Agreed. Not sure any of these (VW, RS, A45...) high output 4's are going to hold up 1 year out of warranty.

That's the appeal of an I6 with potential left in place by the factory.
The Audi RS3 uses a 2.5l I5, or were you talking about the Ford RS?
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I really couldn't be bothered with AMG and RS.
May be playing the same segment, but not sure they playing the same game.
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I've driven a CLA45 for longer than most on a 'test drive' and never once did I feel as though the transmission was lacking in any real capacity; I don't exactly understand what some of these 'issues' are? It wasn't clunky, it never had an issue finding a gear, it snapped my neck back and the shifts were crisp. Furthermore, I've driven an M3 with DCT (at least 3-4+ times) and appreciated the speed, but it wasn't exactly anything that left me stunned.

I'm impressed that Merc is updating the CLA45 AMG, I know this is speaking to the A45, but I'm confident the CLA will see it as well. The M2 will truly have its work cut out for itself and I'm eager to see how it performs just as much as anyone else.

The one thing both of these cars will share in common is there'll be a lot of hurt feelings when a $48k GT350 runs away from an M2 or CLA45 AMG and sounds great doing it.
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I've driven a CLA45 for longer than most on a 'test drive' and never once did I feel as though the transmission was lacking in any real capacity; I don't exactly understand what some of these 'issues' are? It wasn't clunky, it never had an issue finding a gear, it snapped my neck back and the shifts were crisp. Furthermore, I've driven an M3 with DCT (at least 3-4+ times) and appreciated the speed, but it wasn't exactly anything that left me stunned.

The one thing both of these cars will share in common is there'll be a lot of hurt feelings when a $48k GT350 runs away from an M2 or CLA45 AMG and sounds great doing it.
I am curious - which M3 DCT did you drive? I found that the F80/82 is more brutal and noticeable from a "speed of shift" standpoint than what I experienced in an E92 M3 or the DCT in my 2011 135. I have never been in the AMG, so I have no idea how the auto works there.

In regard to the GT350, yes it is likely to run away in a straight line. But straight line speed has never been what the ///M moniker is all about, even though it seems to garner a lot of attention. Each car in this (or any) segment will have pluses and minuses, depending on the manufacturer in question. BMWs typically have more refinement and better handling in comparison to their American counterparts - even as folks like Ford and Chevy catch up in those areas.

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I am curious - which M3 DCT did you drive? I found that the F80/82 is more brutal and noticeable from a "speed of shift" standpoint than what I experienced in an E92 M3 or the DCT in my 2011 135. I have never been in the AMG, so I have no idea how the auto works there.

In regard to the GT350, yes it is likely to run away in a straight line. But straight line speed has never been what the ///M moniker is all about, even though it seems to garner a lot of attention. Each car in this (or any) segment will have pluses and minuses, depending on the manufacturer in question. BMWs typically have more refinement and better handling in comparison to their American counterparts - even as folks like Ford and Chevy catch up in those areas.

Just my $.02
It was an e92 M3, every single time I drove one with DCT. I haven't driven an F8x so I can't speak to the DCT there, but again, I never found DCT to be anything more than a glorified auto haha - which I know it's not.

The GT350 is far from a straight line only car; the only area I'm actually concerned about on that car is the interior, even with the factory optioned Recaros. I'm also fairly familiar with BMWs as well, miss owning one now and then, but we'll see.

Here's my old ZHP and a shots of my STi when I had it all built, which I've now returned close to stock, so I can just daily it in peace.












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My take is this S will probably be running a larger Turbo which means it can easily generate more power without running a higher boost or it may even be running a lower boost.

If it is from AMG you can thrash it all you like on the road and the motor will still be the last thing that breaks on the car.

The issue is the fun factor. With a laggy 4 banger running on automatic and 4WD...
Boost is measured in the engine not in the turbo. You need a bigger turbo to make more boost. Bigger turbo means it doesn't have to spin as fast as smaller turbo.
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It was an e92 M3, every single time I drove one with DCT. I haven't driven an F8x so I can't speak to the DCT there, but again, I never found DCT to be anything more than a glorified auto haha - which I know it's not.

The GT350 is far from a straight line only car; the only area I'm actually concerned about on that car is the interior, even with the factory optioned Recaros. I'm also fairly familiar with BMWs as well, miss owning one now and then, but we'll see.

Here's my old ZHP and a shots of my STi when I had it all built, which I've now returned close to stock, so I can just daily it in peace.












Damn, I remember that ZHP from way back in the day. Used to have a bone stock e46 328i sedan.

As far as the GT350. I think a few of us have thought about that car for a split second for sure. It's just not for me though.

Having said that, if I had to pick a Ford, the Focus RS is a much more interesting proposition for me.
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Damn, I remember that ZHP from way back in the day. Used to have a bone stock e46 328i sedan.

As far as the GT350. I think a few of us have thought about that car for a split second for sure. It's just not for me though.

Having said that, if I had to pick a Ford, the Focus RS is a much more interesting proposition for me.
Haha no way?! I used to be on e46fanatics way back when.

Taste is subjective, but I think the performance offering of the GT350 will really shake up the enthusiast world. I've never had even the slightest interest in any American car brand offering until the GT350, but I think it'd take a lot to get me in to one.

Haha, ah the RS! I'd still take an STi over one, but then again you'd assume I'm biased.
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Haha no way?! I used to be on e46fanatics way back when.

Taste is subjective, but I think the performance offering of the GT350 will really shake up the enthusiast world. I've never had even the slightest interest in any American car brand offering until the GT350, but I think it'd take a lot to get me in to one.

Haha, ah the RS! I'd still take an STi over one, but then again you'd assume I'm biased.
Yea I know. Your screen name looked familiar, but then I definitely recognized your ZHP from the pics. It was a big inspiration for me. But then I realized I don't have the motivation or funds to get my 328i to your level haha. I stopped posting on e46f a long long time ago though.

I have 0 doubt that the GT350 will revolutionize the sport car segment just like the C7 Vette did. It's amazing how much performance for relatively small bucks.

I guess for me personally, now that I daily drive an E36 M3 with a measly 240hp, I'm just not all too interested in crazy performance. That's why I think M2 will be perfect for what I want. 6MT, more than enough HP + TQ, compact --> Perfection.
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Yea I know. Your screen name looked familiar, but then I definitely recognized your ZHP from the pics. It was a big inspiration for me. But then I realized I don't have the motivation or funds to get my 328i to your level haha. I stopped posting on e46f a long long time ago though.

I have 0 doubt that the GT350 will revolutionize the sport car segment just like the C7 Vette did. It's amazing how much performance for relatively small bucks.

I guess for me personally, now that I daily drive an E36 M3 with a measly 240hp, I'm just not all too interested in crazy performance. That's why I think M2 will be perfect for what I want. 6MT, more than enough HP + TQ, compact --> Perfection.
Thanks man, happy I was able to at least be an inspiration; I did too, back then my I was "clean-m-tech330", but I haven't even been on e46 for years and years.

You're right. I think the M2's strength will a balance of power and handling, with no one area really overshadowing the other.

Any mods on your e92 M3?
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[QUOTE=technik330;18133833]It was an e92 M3, every single time I drove one with DCT. I haven't driven an F8x so I can't speak to the DCT there, but again, I never found DCT to be anything more than a glorified auto haha - which I know it's not.

The GT350 is far from a straight line only car; the only area I'm actually concerned about on that car is the interior, even with the factory optioned Recaros. I'm also fairly familiar with BMWs as well, miss owning one now and then, but we'll see.

Here's my old ZHP and a shots of my STi when I had it all built, which I've now returned close to stock, so I can just daily it in peace.



Great shot!!! Keeping an eye on the 350 as well.
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Thanks man, happy I was able to at least be an inspiration; I did too, back then my I was "clean-m-tech330", but I haven't even been on e46 for years and years.

You're right. I think the M2's strength will a balance of power and handling, with no one area really overshadowing the other.

Any mods on your e92 M3?
Yea, a whole bunch. Full catless Eisenmann Race, HRE wheels, BPM tune various CF and cosmetic stuff I've done over the years. I'll probably follow the same recipe with the M2:
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When has bmw been about HP? never. C63 have always had tonnes more power over the m3. M cars are drivers car while amg cars has always been about straight line
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It was an e92 M3, every single time I drove one with DCT. I haven't driven an F8x so I can't speak to the DCT there, but again, I never found DCT to be anything more than a glorified auto haha - which I know it's not.

The GT350 is far from a straight line only car; the only area I'm actually concerned about on that car is the interior, even with the factory optioned Recaros. I'm also fairly familiar with BMWs as well, miss owning one now and then, but we'll see.

Here's my old ZHP and a shots of my STi when I had it all built, which I've now returned close to stock, so I can just daily it in peace.



Great shot!!! Keeping an eye on the 350 as well.
Thanks man! Haha yeah, I'd just like to get to see one in person and hear it too.

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Yea, a whole bunch. Full catless Eisenmann Race, HRE wheels, BPM tune various CF and cosmetic stuff I've done over the years. I'll probably follow the same recipe with the M2:
That's boss, very clean man - great job with the mods! Is your M3 SGM as well?
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I've driven a CLA45 for longer than most on a 'test drive' and never once did I feel as though the transmission was lacking in any real capacity; I don't exactly understand what some of these 'issues' are? It wasn't clunky, it never had an issue finding a gear, it snapped my neck back and the shifts were crisp. Furthermore, I've driven an M3 with DCT (at least 3-4+ times) and appreciated the speed, but it wasn't exactly anything that left me stunned.

I'm impressed that Merc is updating the CLA45 AMG, I know this is speaking to the A45, but I'm confident the CLA will see it as well. The M2 will truly have its work cut out for itself and I'm eager to see how it performs just as much as anyone else.

The one thing both of these cars will share in common is there'll be a lot of hurt feelings when a $48k GT350 runs away from an M2 or CLA45 AMG and sounds great doing it.
A lot of us only had access to the CLA45 for 45 minutes or so. That Dual Clutch was a disaster. Pull the paddle, wait for (what feels like an eternity) probably .5 seconds then it slips into the next gear. By slipping in I'm refering to it not directly engaging, but instead acting like a noob slipping the clutch while learning stick. It was so bad I thought the one they gave me to test was defective. Tried a second one and same thing. Dual clutch boxes are awesome, this one was shocking. Not on a good way.

Drove these back to back with an auto M235i and the ZF is a masterpiece vs this box.

Maybe they improved it since then, but in July last year it was indescribably bad.
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I've driven a CLA45 for longer than most on a 'test drive' and never once did I feel as though the transmission was lacking in any real capacity; I don't exactly understand what some of these 'issues' are? It wasn't clunky, it never had an issue finding a gear, it snapped my neck back and the shifts were crisp. Furthermore, I've driven an M3 with DCT (at least 3-4+ times) and appreciated the speed, but it wasn't exactly anything that left me stunned.

I'm impressed that Merc is updating the CLA45 AMG, I know this is speaking to the A45, but I'm confident the CLA will see it as well. The M2 will truly have its work cut out for itself and I'm eager to see how it performs just as much as anyone else.

The one thing both of these cars will share in common is there'll be a lot of hurt feelings when a $48k GT350 runs away from an M2 or CLA45 AMG and sounds great doing it.
A lot of us only had access to the CLA45 for 45 minutes or so. That Dual Clutch was a disaster. Pull the paddle, wait for (what feels like an eternity) probably .5 seconds then it slips into the next gear. By slipping in I'm refering to it not directly engaging, but instead acting like a noob slipping the clutch while learning stick. It was so bad I thought the one they gave me to test was defective. Tried a second one and same thing. Dual clutch boxes are awesome, this one was shocking. Not on a good way.

Drove these back to back with an auto M235i and the ZF is a masterpiece vs this box.

Maybe they improved it since then, but in July last year it was indescribably bad.
Mine is definitely not as bad as that. It's not up to snuff with BMW or Audi's dual clutch but it's not awful either. There have been some software updates. My paddles are quite responsive most of the time. An upshift may on occasion lag. Hopefully they'll get it all sorted out for 16.
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Mine is definitely not as bad as that. It's not up to snuff with BMW or Audi's dual clutch but it's not awful either. There have been some software updates. My paddles are quite responsive most of the time. An upshift may on occasion lag. Hopefully they'll get it all sorted out for 16.
I'm seriously happy to hear that, for your sake. The ones I drove were nothing short of shocking.
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Mine is definitely not as bad as that. It's not up to snuff with BMW or Audi's dual clutch but it's not awful either. There have been some software updates. My paddles are quite responsive most of the time. An upshift may on occasion lag. Hopefully they'll get it all sorted out for 16.
I'm seriously happy to hear that, for your sake. The ones I drove were nothing short of shocking.
It does seem to be a crap shoot for owners.
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I've driven a CLA45 for longer than most on a 'test drive' and never once did I feel as though the transmission was lacking in any real capacity; I don't exactly understand what some of these 'issues' are?
No go drive any 2014 PDK Porsche, VW's or GTR. It's like comparing a machine gun to a revolver. Other cars you click it shift. The benz more like a 2009 GTR but a little smoother. I don't like the DCT on the bimmers also but its' better than benz which is not saying much.
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