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I'd expect to get maybe 25+ in Efficient + highway only. It's virtually impossible for me to drive it and stay out of the throttle. |
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11-25-2019, 08:41 PM | #24 |
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Yea, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm stuck driving 46 miles each way to work, I'll be fueling up every other day. I wish there were still fun 4 bangers out there besides the BRZ that don't look hideous like the Civic Si/Type-R.
Edit: I pretty much fill up every 3 days at it is now, so yeah I can live with it Last edited by MPR; 11-25-2019 at 08:58 PM.. |
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11-26-2019, 05:23 AM | #25 | |
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as for your original question, I debated the OG M2 vs m240i about 2 years ago. I test drove both. My impressions M2 over M240i: looks sound sharp handling M240i over M2 ride comfort engine (b58 less lag and just felt more eager and stronger at low rpms) 4wd capability tough call For me coming from a 981 Cayman S with the x73 suspension, I was really drawn to something more comfortable. I also really did find the b58 to be a more engaging motor than the n55. So I went with the m240i. But now I've ordered an M2C, so there's that. But that is partly a missing manual thing. I think if my m240i was a manual I would have been ok sticking with it...and not have ordered an M2C (or at least waited for the s58 version) Best with the decision! |
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11-26-2019, 04:24 PM | #26 |
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People quoting the ZF as a just torque converting auto, it's used on all new M cars so it can't be that bad. With a flash it feels just as fast as DCTs while still remaining comfortable and smooth at lower gears/rpm. Not saying I would ever opt for one (save the manuals), but it shouldn't be looked at as a strict negative. Also, the lack of a stock optioned LSD literally doesn't matter. You can easily get your own preferred solution like quaife or a wavetrac, or simply swap in the mlsd like normal.
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11-26-2019, 05:13 PM | #27 |
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Is it unheard of to put a lot of miles on an M [2,3,4] due to highway commuting? Like I mentioned a few times already, I drive 92 miles a day/24k a year, so buying one lightly used I will be in the 6 digit mileage territory within 3-3.5 years. I'm probably looking at more than usual maintenance costs and I guess higher risk of motor failure at 75k+ mileage since these motors are high output, especially if I go M4. These are just assumptions obviously. I'm at 170k in my BRZ and have only replaced the clutch, 1 wheel bearing, AC condenser, and rear brake pads.. I'd love to get this reliability treatment from an M 2-4. I think the main thing making me hesitate on the M, or BMW in general, is how many miles I'll rack up on it, diminishing it's value quickly. Honestly, if I love it I guess resale value doesn't matter as I'll drive it to the wheels fall off like my BRZ, I am pushing 7 years in it and still enjoy it every day.
Are M's all in general the same in regard to replacement parts cost, or does the cost go in sequence with the number following the M? The M4 is a really nice car, I prefer something smaller but the 4 is such a great looking car and I love the interior. And fuel economy is somehow the same as the 2. One side of my brain is saying "buy another reliable & fun Japanese car that will last to 200k+", the other side is saying "you've always wanted an M, you will love every drive in it, yolo". @POMFKIMOCHI, I'm torn. Yeah I live in the northeast which gets snow, but does this justify getting AWD just for 5 or so days a year when I can just work from home on those days? From a comfort, reliability, and getting to own new vs used perspective, yes M240 wins. I have a feeling I'd be cruising on the highway and see an M cruise by and think to myself damn it lol. Last edited by MPR; 11-26-2019 at 07:04 PM.. |
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11-26-2019, 07:20 PM | #28 |
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I'm ~2.5-3 months into mine and have 5,200 miles AND work from home quite a bit. I can't stop driving this thing!
Hope it holds up at least 150,000 miles, but we'll see. I'll be happy if it's worth $20,000 if I decide to trade it in by then. Not going to hold my breath on that one. |
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11-27-2019, 06:43 AM | #29 |
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I live in Toronto, and frankly opted for rwd to take advantage and have some extra fun during our winters. I was thinking about the auto/zf with rwd combo when looking at some 235s but settled with a manual rwd because it was well kept. Trust me when I say, I literally NEVER feel any resentment or jealousy towards m2s, I see them as different cars so to speak, like an m3/4. I actually almost feel a little bad for their n55s 🤭
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11-27-2019, 09:53 AM | #30 |
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I like having the ability to pick interior color with the 240, I have been wanting a white/red combo forever. I think manual is the way to go for long term owners, I think the reliability is more trustworthy and will be easier to service/maintain.
Its a tough decision, I really need to drive both and then sleep on it. |
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11-27-2019, 11:49 AM | #31 | |
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I thought about the M240 before getting my M2C. It certainly seems like the more sensible option on paper. However, I could not find a 240 locally to test drive, but there were a few M2s and the rest is history... Edit: save the manuals! I had to order mine. They never have any on lots around here. |
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11-27-2019, 12:45 PM | #32 |
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The ZF 8 speed, while being a normal torque-converter tranny, is absolutely awesome. It's no wonder that they're being put into every car available nowadays. Also I'm pretty sure that I read that the 7 speed DCT from BMW is a thing of the past, as moving forward the auto BMW's will have a ZF (I could be wrong, but I swear it was on here somewhere).
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11-27-2019, 04:54 PM | #34 | ||
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Personally, if forced to choose between the two self-shifters, I'd rather have a really nice torque converter auto than a so-so dual clutch unit (i've been told the 7-speed DCT in the m2 is good but not great.) Quote:
1. That's a nice car! and 2. I wish my car was that color (mineral grey, WHY WOULD YOU DROP THAT ONE FOR THE Comp BMW?) The M2, the M2 Competition, and the M240i are all nice cars. There isn't a single one of those vehicles I wouldn't enjoy driving the fuck out of. Last edited by Moflow; 11-27-2019 at 04:59 PM.. |
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11-27-2019, 05:16 PM | #35 |
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N55 reliability is known and rock solid. It's been around for a long time.
b58 is new and unknown. Seems like a great engine, but who knows if reliable. Also m2 drivers better and looks way better. |
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11-27-2019, 05:34 PM | #36 |
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Good points. I think the M2 will be funner and I'd be prouder to drive it, while I think the M240 would be the 'smarter' choice.
I am leaning more towards the M. A local dealer has a 2017 in white, manual, with 7k miles, 1 owner, for 46k. Looks clean except for the window tint. I want to get a PPI, are there vendors that do these? How do I find one? And sorry for all the questions, but is there anything negative/bad in going with the M4 instead, aside from being a bigger car and not as tossable? I think it looks a bit nicer and has more power, and it is closely priced. Somehow has the same fuel economy. Last edited by MPR; 11-27-2019 at 09:55 PM.. |
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The dealer has a 3-5 page PPI sheet that they have to fill out and give to you if you purchase it. It notes everything good and meh and bad about a car. Best ~$300 you'll spend if your buying used
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11-28-2019, 03:38 AM | #40 | |
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The B58 isn't really new or unknown anymore - it's been in production for 4 years now.
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You say the dealer has to do a PPI then say best $300 I'll spend. So is this something I ask for, or is it baked into the sale price? Or do I pay if buying from a non BMW dealer? I'm leaning towards an M4.
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I owned an M235i before my 2018 M2 and I replaced it with the M2 because I doing track days more and more and the M235i chassis and suspension was just not up to the task.
If its just for a daily driver the M240i makes a lot of sens, the M2C is fine but what you gain in performance and character, you lose in comfort and civility.
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