[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by GodfatherNiko

So this will mean:

M2 Competition - 80k
M2 CS - 120k
M2 CSL - 160k

How long until the M2 GT3 RS for 200k?

I'm really surprised they didn't create a carbon fiber rear seat with some thin cushions for the CS. I wonder if there are safety issues. That would have trimmed a lot of weight, and would match the carbon console

[CRtoE92]

Id honestly sell my m4 cs for this in 6MT

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

Id honestly sell my m4 cs for this in 6MT

The M4 CS got meh and average reviews. I think the M2 CS will rate better. It is cheaper at least.

[SabineBimmer]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Drives better than it looks.... You can tell he loves this car by the smile on his face when talking about it.

I haven't driven one, but I will take your word on it. I like the looks but I LOVE the look of the previous E82 1-series/1M. Loved the taller windows/greenhouse look.

[SabineBimmer]

Originally Posted by Hegge

The M4 CS got meh and average reviews. I think the M2 CS will rate better. It is cheaper at least.

I think so too. It's the coupe to have now, I'm thinking, is the 2-series. The old 1-er/newer 2-ers are what the 3-series used to be. Probably why they exist in the first place too, to take that role.



So, ahem, how 'bout them new M4 grills?! Eh?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Only tidbit of 'new' information (01:54 - 02:28):

BMW Today: "One thing I have ask you because it's been mentioned so many times in the forums. You brought out the M2. Then you upgraded to the Competition. Now we can see a CS. Will there be also a CSL or what is the overall strategy ?"
Markus Flasch: "To be honest, we haven't decided yet, but we will do more Sondermodelle [special models] than in the past. We want to show that our cars are deriven from the race track and we want to close the gap between competition high-performance car and a race car. And the CS, or maybe even a CSL, alternatives that we are elaborating."

There is already the F87 M2 CS Racing (not street legal). With the F87 M2 EOP (end of production) scheduled for June 2021, it's getting pretty late to start elaborating an F87 M2 CSL project. If an F87 M2 CSL doesn't exist yet or is not yet in the works right now, then it won't come. Except if they lazily make Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2 tires and M-CCB standard + throw in bucket seats, a roll cage, a fire extinguisher and add a CSL badge on the boot of the "very lightweight" M2 CS. Anyways, those with an M2 CS on order might think "Say what ?!" when hearing this.

Agreed about the unlikeliness of seeing an F87 M2CSL

Further, at 3:30 in the video, when asked who should get an M2cs, Flasch says those "lucky enough to get one, as for anyone else, go for the M2Competition or wait for the upcoming "Sondermodelle", maybe of the M3 or M4 next generation". Kinda hinting there wont be another "Sondermodelle" of the F87 M2.

An M2CSL won't be until the next gen IMO.

And just as a tidbit, aren't the PSC2 already standard on the M2cs?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by awhk

Beside the reflected, they have also managed to ruin the rear turn signals by allowing red lights.

Yea, I never understood why if both red and amber turn signals are allowed, why go against the grain and make all US-spec specifically the color red. :

I prefer amber, it just looks right.. If I had gotten a CS, I would swap the taillight for the ECE, amber version.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yea, I never understood why if both red and amber turn signals are allowed, why go against the grain and make all US-spec specifically the color red. :

I prefer amber, it just looks right.. If I had gotten a CS, I would swap the taillight for the ECE, amber version.

^ This

I've always wondered the same myself: why not just keep the amber rear turn signals for North America since they are legal and demonstrated to be safer. I also find they look better .

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

^ This

I've always wondered the same myself: why not just keep the amber rear turn signals for North America since they are legal and demonstrated to be safer. I also find they look better .

+1 for orange turn signals.

[SabineBimmer]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

+1 for orange turn signals.

+1

[F30swag]

I kinda like the roof :

[MinionM3]

But when is it going to be available in US?

[duky]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

In my limited carbon fiber research I found that the larger mesh is stronger. Unsure if this pattern costs less it more, or if the process is less or more costly.

Edit:. When watching the BMW carbon fiber roof production process there is a scene where they throw away the leftover fabric. The large weave pattern can clearly identified. My guess is that this weave is used in the other roofs, but not as much of it.

Found some more info.

Spread tow carbon fiber is a very specific design of fabric, and the rarest seen of all we will discuss. Spread tow means that the filaments of carbon ranging from 3,000 to 12,000 per tow are laid out next to each other for the thinnest ribbon of carbon. Conventional tows are bunched up with many layers of carbon filaments. Spread tow fabrics are identified by large open patterns. The checkerboard pattern of a bidirectional carbon fiber, with spread tow construction, may have squares measuring one inch across.

Because the large tow size forces a looser pattern, the over-under weave points are spread apart. By spreading apart the tow crossover, the frequency of direction change is greatly reduced, and the fabric can lay much more flat over a surface.

As described by Easy Composites, a UK based supplier of materials and resins, "Spread tow fabrics are gaining popularity in advanced composites applications because of their incredibly flat profile which almost eliminates 'print through' or texturing of precise surfaces (like aircraft wings)."

Because the resulting plies of fabric are so much thinner, more layers must be employed to achieve the same strength. Often used in applications where aerodynamics are a priority over strength, spread tow carbon fiber has a distinct aesthetic that people either love, or hate.

https://www.turnology.com/tech-stori...in-composites/

https://www.compositesworld.com/arti...-of-spread-tow

Cost seems highly dependent upon fabric weight. For equal weight fabric the spread toe is less expensive.

https://store.acpsales.com/categorie...-carbon-fiber-

Super helpful explanation!

[adc]

So when will we finally read some reviews about this magical beast??

It’s due to be released for sale very soon, and still no reviews.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

^ This

I've always wondered the same myself: why not just keep the amber rear turn signals for North America since they are legal and demonstrated to be safer. I also find they look better .

Yep - every time I'm behind some crappy US car on the way to work and one red light comes on I have to gamble whether it's one broken brake light or about to pull into my lane without looking.

Such shitty design for safety ... presumably to allow low-end manufacturers to get away with one fewer light bulb?

And let's not even get started about the adaptive LEDs I paid for and arrived in the US essentially disabled.

[PARTS@STBMW]

Very interesting!

[Turkish Pickle]

No one mentioned the portrait video - I guess I'm the only one using BPost on my computer...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by pbar

Yep - every time I'm behind some crappy US car on the way to work and one red light comes on I have to gamble whether it's one broken brake light or about to pull into my lane without looking.

Such shitty design for safety ... presumably to allow low-end manufacturers to get away with one fewer light bulb?

And let's not even get started about the adaptive LEDs I paid for and arrived in the US essentially disabled.

And that's the crazy thing, European manufacturers actually incur EXTRA COST to have red rear turn signals. I just don't get it.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

And that's the crazy thing, European manufacturers actually incur EXTRA COST to have red rear turn signals. I just don't get it.

I believe the cost are the same or not that much more to produce either amber or red color light output.

The light itself is originally red but they add a green optical filter to produce the color amber, meeting ECE/ROW requirements.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Red[/COLOR]+[COLOR="Green"]Green[/COLOR]= [COLOR="DarkOrange"]Yellow[/COLOR]

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by pbar

Yep - every time I'm behind some crappy US car on the way to work and one red light comes on I have to gamble whether it's one broken brake light or about to pull into my lane without looking.

Such shitty design for safety ... presumably to allow low-end manufacturers to get away with one fewer light bulb?

The original reason the turn signals are red in the US, is because both, the brake and turn signals have to meet a minimum photometric size requirement of 50 cm2 (7¾ in2) and since they are both red and sharing the same light for both functions are allowed, manufacturers take advantage this to meet regulations, due to limited space within one light cluster.

In some vehicles, if the manufacture opts to keep the turn signals the color amber, as allowed, it would then not be able to be shared with the (red) brake lights, to meet the size requirement. In those case, piggybacking one light function on the other, works perfectly for that given situation, as compromised as it might appear to a laymen.

I already wrote a nerdy explanation here related to the G20:
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=24680672

What I don't get is even if a turn signal and brake light still meets the minimum photometric requirement, as it does in the M2 CS, they still choose to keep it red, for US-spec vehicles. :

[M Fifty]

The UK CS Configurator appears to be active - £75,330.

Edit: The Link.

https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/co...SM,S08TG,S08TH

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by M Fifty

The UK CS Configurator appears to be active - £75,330.

Edit: The Link.

https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/co...SM,S08TG,S08TH

Nice find!

Funny how they still posted up the online configuration, yet the factory that produces it is still closed. #Hubris