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      02-21-2020, 12:39 PM   #89
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Actually you have been a huge help, I was actually looking at yours as a marker. With CO tax of 4.63% that is $60,225 OTD.

My quote is with PA tax with all options you listed plus some other dealer add one for $59.5K OTD. Which i thought was decent, but I guess I could be wrong.
As robertm says, call BMW Alexandria...they have tons of cars and I negotiated a good 8-9% from them but never bought. What surprises me is the they are hardly moving them even with big discounts.

Should be a decent drive for you to get here
The 2 Series/M2 was never a huge seller for BMW, it's more of a niche product. So it's not surprising that mere mortals are not eager to drop over $60,000 for a two door, sporty vehicle.

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I looked at them. Unfortunately, their only manual cars are in SO. Which is actually not a bad color. But does change my choices.
Sunroofs too, that's what the kids call a "Fail"
So I'm not against having a sunroof. But man they have 12 M2s?! With 4 in manual. I have never seen a dealer with so many. They're going to be in it for awhile.

However, I may consider that if I can get $58K OTD
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So I'm not against having a sunroof. But man they have 12 M2s?! With 4 in manual. I have never seen a dealer with so many. They're going to be in it for awhile.

However, I may consider that if I can get $58K OTD
Heck, it already weighs as much as a camaro. Might as well go with the sunroof. haha
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I looked at them. Unfortunately, their only manual cars are in SO. Which is actually not a bad color. But does change my choices.
Sunroofs too, that's what the kids call a "Fail"
So I'm not against having a sunroof. But man they have 12 M2s?! With 4 in manual. I have never seen a dealer with so many. They're going to be in it for awhile.

However, I may consider that if I can get $58K OTD

BMW has been putting moonroofs in M cars since it's inception.

Don't listen to the naysayers, get what you desire. A moonroof won't make any overall difference to a vehicle already weighting 3,600lbs.

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The 2 Series/M2 was never a huge seller for BMW, it's more of a niche product. So it's not surprising that mere mortals are not eager to drop over $60,000 for a two door, sporty vehicle.

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I suppose. The M2, while there to entice the younger 2 series buyer, is priced too high for most young people. So does it really become a niche car for older guys who can afford it and really want a great drivers car?
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I suppose. The M2, while there to entice the younger 2 series buyer, is priced too high for most young people. So does it really become a niche car for older guys who can afford it and really want a great drivers car?
I feel like 'older' car guys who prefer the E36 era to the current bloated GT cars the M3/4 have become are the core demo for the M2.
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BMW has been putting moonroofs in M cars since it's inception.

Don't listen to the naysayers, get what you desire. A moonroof won't make any overall difference to a vehicle already weighting 3,600lbs.
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I personally love sunroofs and use them all the time. But for some reason I couldn't do it for the M2, especially with HS. I didnt want to break up that roof line and how it comes in low over the windshield, otherwise enjoy the moonroof.
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The 2 Series/M2 was never a huge seller for BMW, it's more of a niche product. So it's not surprising that mere mortals are not eager to drop over $60,000 for a two door, sporty vehicle.

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I suppose. The M2, while there to entice the younger 2 series buyer, is priced too high for most young people. So does it really become a niche car for older guys who can afford it and really want a great drivers car?
It might but to the average consumer with only one car, a nuclear family and a puppy; a small coupe might not work for them. Which describes a major portion of the buying public.

For some strange reason, people love getting married and having a bunch of annoying kids, so a small vehicle would not support that typical demographic.

SVU sells more than coupes nowadays by a substantial margin..


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I personally love sunroofs and use them all the time. But for some reason I couldn't do it for the M2, especially with HS. I didnt want to break up that roof line and how it comes in low over the windshield, otherwise enjoy the moonroof.
I love a sunroof on the right vehicle. SUVs, GT cars, absolutely must have one.

I don't want one on my nimble little track/twisty backroad weapon. But I don't begrudge anyone who wants one on their M car, 2 or otherwise.
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It might but to the average consumer with only one car, a nuclear family and a puppy; a small coupe might not work for them. Which describes a major portion of the buying public.

For some strange reason, people love getting married and having a bunch of annoying kids, so a small vehicle would not support that typical demographic.

SVU sells more than coupes nowadays by a substantial margin..


https://carbuzz.com/news/mercedes-be...cars-this-year
So in come guys like me for whom this isn't the only car, and kids are getting ready to leave the nest. Did BMW have me in mind?
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It might but to the average consumer with only one car, a nuclear family and a puppy; a small coupe might not work for them. Which describes a major portion of the buying public.

For some strange reason, people love getting married and having a bunch of annoying kids, so a small vehicle would not support that typical demographic.

SVU sells more than coupes nowadays by a substantial margin..


https://carbuzz.com/news/mercedes-be...cars-this-year
So in come guys like me for whom this isn't the only car, and kids are getting ready to leave the nest. Did BMW have me in mind?
I don't know what to tell you, you must be the outlier consumer but the M2 was designed and marketed to a younger crowd.

When a vehicle is greenlit for production, BMW has a target demographic in mind. I wrote a Marketing Plan on BMW in college and studied their modus operandi. At the time, the 3 series was marketed to the yuppies, now the M2 has taken that place.

I'm glad you appreciate your car and I'm not judging but that's just the way it is. I have several interviews to back this up, if you believe I'm pulling this out of thin air.
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One thing about sunroofs, other than it being a noisemaker and weight in about the worst possible place on a car?

Headroom.

You tend to lose 1.5-2" of headroom with a sunroof. Not with the roof itself, but with the headliner bulge that runs all the way around the roof.

I've got short legs and a tall (37.5") torso (thanks, genetics)-- and it's VERY rare to find a car with a sunroof that I can fit in. Especially with electric seats, since the rails tend to be a bit higher than a manual seat.

So, if you're fairly tall (or at least have a tall torso), I'd *really* recommend sitting in the car before you buy.

Just my 0.02.

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I don't know what to tell you, you must be the outlier consumer but the M2 was designed and marketed to a younger crowd.

When a vehicle is greenlit for production, BMW has a target demographic in mind. I wrote a Marketing Plan on BMW in college and studied their modus operandi. At the time, the 3 series was marketed to the yuppies, now the M2 has taken that place.

I'm glad you appreciate your car and I'm not judging but that's just the way it is. I have several interviews to back this up, if you believe I'm pulling this out of thin air.
Sure, i believe you, but I'm not an outlier, but definitely not the main target. Here is a poll I dug up which shows that 60% of M2 buyers are <38 yrs old, so there also goes that theory of young families not finding utility in these cars.

40% of buyers are older than 38, so the M2 really speaks to a wide demographic. Around here, all the M2s I've seen have been driven by 60+ yr olds
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I don't know what to tell you, you must be the outlier consumer but the M2 was designed and marketed to a younger crowd.

When a vehicle is greenlit for production, BMW has a target demographic in mind. I wrote a Marketing Plan on BMW in college and studied their modus operandi. At the time, the 3 series was marketed to the yuppies, now the M2 has taken that place.

I'm glad you appreciate your car and I'm not judging but that's just the way it is. I have several interviews to back this up, if you believe I'm pulling this out of thin air.
Sure, i believe you, but I'm not an outlier, but definitely not the main target. Here is a poll I dug up which shows that 60% of M2 buyers are <38 yrs old, so there also goes that theory of young families not finding utility in these cars.

40% of buyers are older than 38, so the M2 really speaks to a wide demographic. Around here, all the M2s I've seen have been driven by 60+ yr olds
A poll huh, that sounds conclusive..

Anyways, let's just leave it here before my point gets misconstrued. Like is said, I'm glad you choose an M2C and kept the demand going. Enjoy
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A poll huh, that sounds conclusive..

Anyways, let's just leave it here before my point gets misconstrued. Like is said, I'm glad you choose an M2C and kept the demand going. Enjoy
Oh, I'm not arguing, nor care really what the target demographic is. I wont feel hurt if young people are buying M2s...LOL. Was just adding to the discussion with a data point (or points)
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Just buy an M2C if you want one, outside of throwing in some run out color options there will be no difference. Given the way production lines are tooled and setup they are unlikely to make major additions for one model year as it makes no financial sense. At best there may be some parts from the M performance parts bin lying around which they throw on, but all that stuff is available separately anyway. The e92 LRP editiion is a classic example of the 'parts bin special'.
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I am not in a rush, and guess I just want to know what is coming down the pike with the 21' M2C. If little improvement by way of upgrades or options, then no doubt plenty of 20' models will still be available for purchase at more than an enticing price.

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Everyone would like to know but so far no leaks and everything is speculation or wishful thinking. I think it's likely they do so special editions that are as lazy as possible like standard black paint but with black wheels and a plaque.

There are other colors on the 2 series assembly line and adaptive suspension so it doesn't seem like it's too much trouble for them to do that but who knows. For MY20 they added slightly tinted tail lights that are impossible to notice.
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There are other colors on the 2 series assembly line and adaptive suspension so it doesn't seem like it's too much trouble for them to do that but who knows. For MY20 they added slightly tinted tail lights that are impossible to notice.
I agree with you on a "special edition" color, but I'd be flat-out boggled if they included adaptive suspension.

That's pretty much the "big carrot" on the M2CS. The difference between the C and CS is already a lot closer than BMW would probably like. I don't see them tightening that gap any more.

Of course I could be wrong. And if I am, I'll be *pissed*, since I decided to pop for the '20 instead of the '21!

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I agree with you on a "special edition" color, but I'd be flat-out boggled if they included adaptive suspension.

That's pretty much the "big carrot" on the M2CS. The difference between the C and CS is already a lot closer than BMW would probably like. I don't see them tightening that gap any more.

Of course I could be wrong. And if I am, I'll be *pissed*, since I decided to pop for the '20 instead of the '21!

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Of course, I have no more insight than anyone else, so just speculation in anticipation.

I do think certain things that were options on the 20' will be bundled as standard and included in a slight up-tick in base price. For example, executive package, ///M steering wheel and MPE. Just presented as example, in case BMW is listening

Regarding the coveted adaptive suspension . . . that is standard on M2CS as far as I know, so perhaps BMW will make it an option on 21' M2C? I mean, it is already built for the M2 chassis, so if someone wants to pay for it, why not let them?

Seriously, if the suspension is so important to so many, seems to me BMW could sell a shit-load of 21' M2C if they simply made it an option at a cost. There is nothing they need to do in terms of engineering or anything. The suspension is designed for the chassis and ready to go. Let the consumer ring the cash register to BMW accountants delight. Win-win!

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I think someone else in this thread stated that the adaptive suspension doesn't make a significant difference. Do you think it would really sell that well?
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I think someone else in this thread stated that the adaptive suspension doesn't make a significant difference. Do you think it would really sell that well?
I cannot speak as to the difference it makes, rather, it seems to be the one feature everyone interested in buying the M2CS is hanging their hat on . . . and many M2C owners wish they possessed.

I suspect it is probably way overrated for daily/spirited driving that most use their M2C? Regardless, consumers tend to want what they do not have, even if they do not need it.

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I think someone else in this thread stated that the adaptive suspension doesn't make a significant difference. Do you think it would really sell that well?
You do feel a difference when toggling between modes.

It won't make an initial jarring change because that's not how it typically works but having dampers that can be electronically manipulated does help with the vehicle's overall handing, especially pitch and body roll..


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On the other hand.....

No adaptive suspension means less electronic widgets to break.

And? That's a *good* thing.

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