[richard in NC]

Yes the WV Turnpike is a great road to drive. My family lives in northern WV so I drive it all the time, although not yet in the M2C. Most I've done in it is about 4 hours.

[xxyion]

Originally Posted by Davil

Lowering springs alone are one of the single worst things you can do to car's handling. Shocks no longer work in their designated range, geometry is messed up too.

I think the M2C is close to perfect for my needs.

If you want to change ride height then coil overs are the way to go.

I think it can depends though. If you are just daily driving the car with a few spirited drives here and there, lower springs should be fine. Even on stock suspension you arent pushing the car hard enough for the shocks to work past the "restricted range" that the lowering springs would potentially add.

On the track though i 100% agree. Coilovers are almost a must when it comes to tracking the car as you will be pushing the car to its absolute limit and you definetly will be using as much of the shock travel as possible.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by xxyion

I think it can depends though. If you are just daily driving the car with a few spirited drives here and there, lower springs should be fine. Even on stock suspension you arent pushing the car hard enough for the shocks to work past the "restricted range" that the lowering springs would potentially add.

On the track though i 100% agree. Coilovers are almost a must when it comes to tracking the car as you will be pushing the car to its absolute limit and you definetly will be using as much of the shock travel as possible.

I can confirm with stock suspension on a tight track your always on the bump stops..

[///AVM]

Gang

A few posts ago I indicated that BMW apparently has a program in place for new car owners who experience some hiccups in their purchase experience. My experience was sub-optimal but nothing that occurred was anyone's fault . . . just 'shit happens' scenarios.

My dealership was phenomenal in bending over backwards to make right on what went wrong; everyone from the GM to the Service Department Forum. So, regarding the BMW 'program,' I was just notified by my dealership that CF side mirror caps and CF rear diffuser were being shipped to my home, compliments of BMW.

As before, I honestly had zero expectation, nor ever made any special requests. I was more than satisfied by fact that everything appeared to have been made right, and I was finally able to coerce the vehicle to leave the dealership.

Kudos to BMW and my local dealership for going above and beyond to make my new vehicle purchase experience the best it could be under some adverse and uncontrollable circumstances.

///AVM

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Gang

A few posts ago I indicated that BMW apparently has a program in place for new car owners who experience some hiccups in their purchase experience. My experience was sub-optimal but nothing that occurred was anyone’s fault . . . just ‘shit happens’ scenarios.

My dealership was phenomenal in bending over backwards to make right on what went wrong; everyone from the GM to the Service Department Forum. So, regarding the BMW ‘program,’ I was just notified by my dealership that CF side mirror caps and CF rear diffuser were being shipped to my southern home, compliments of BMW.

As before, I honestly had zero expectation, nor ever made any special requests. I was more than satisfied by fact that everything appeared to have been made right, and I was finally able to coerce the vehicle to leave the dealership.

Kudos to BMW and my local dealership for going above and beyond to make my new vehicle purchase experience the best it could be under some adverse and uncontrollable circumstances.

///AVM

I always tell my kids, be good to people and not only will you be ok, good will come to you. Here is a living example of that. Well done sir! Enjoy your CF parts!

[JCZ5]

@///AVM your M2C journey should be the poster child for patience, restraint, empathy and how being a great person will reap you the rewards 😂

[///AVM]

Kutta and JC

Thank you both!

I am human and have my moments just like anyone else. . . but I do try to be reasonable.

I use the word 'karma' a lot. Not because I believe in any magical force, or anything like that. Rather, as a simple way of conveying my belief 'that you get what you give' . . . not always, but for the most part.

Be well my friends.

///AVM

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Kutta and JC

Thank you both!

I am human and have my moments just like anyone else. . . but I do try to be reasonable.

I use the word 'karma' a lot. Not because I believe in any magical force, or anything like that. Rather, as a simple way of conveying my belief 'that you get what you give' . . . not always, but for the most part.

Be well my friends.

///AVM

Karma is a centuries old concept across various cultures/civilization, so I believe there is some value there, aside from a concept to keep people scared straight. In real life there are many examples of karma, and many where we dont see karma playing out. Anywho, I believe it, and I think it works well for me to!

[JCZ5]

Finally I have status 112 for a US East coast bound non - ED order. Confirm production date of 7/28/2020.

Originally ordered back in mid May.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Finally I have status 112 for a US East coast bound non - ED order. Confirm production date of 7/28/2020.

Originally ordered back in mid May.

JC

Congrats!

I am starting to think BMW coined the phrase, 'hurry up and wait.'

At any rate, it will be in your driveway before you know it!

///AVM

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

JC

Congrats!

I am starting to think of BMW coined the phrase, 'hurry up and wait.'

At any rate, it will be in driveway before you know it!

///AVM

From my estimate, it will be on my driveway between 9/20 - 10/8. Still a long time, my friend

[///AVM]

Gang

To bring things full circle . . .

1. Carbon fiber bits are installed . . . thank you BMW.

2. Please notice the beast is clean . . . for now.

3. Couple things regarding install of CF side mirror caps and rear diffuser . . .

(a) the stock black plastic diffuser is no joke to get off. Why? On the left and right there are plastic ‘brackets’ that clip to the top and bottom of the diffuser. The CF diffuser does not utilize the brackets, thank goodness, as it would be damn near impossible to install if required. I am sure anyone who has done the install knows what I am talking about.

(b) there are various videos on removing the stock side mirror caps, including those where the caps are just ‘yanked off.’ Not sure how that is accomplished, as I certainly did not find it feasible? I went the other route, which is to pop the mirror out . . . there was one casualty of war in the process (pic below).

Overall, took me about an hour to complete installation . . . if I took a little longer I probably would not be laying to rest the passenger side mirror.

Final note. The stock exhaust tips are WAY too small and need to be replaced. I have not decided, but looking at either (1) AC Schnitzer Sport Black or (2) ECS Tuning 4" Black Chrome tips.

///AVM

[MrMurkle]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

VTBoss

Good point. . . perhaps mistaken on my part, but I guess I never considered Porsche and BMW as being significantly different in terms marketing and production of quality German sport cars.

I think it's clear that I'm a 'Porsche guy,' but the bigger truth is that I'm a sport car enthusiast who also enjoys BMW products.

Most try to draw comparison to the two brands, whereas I find differences most appealing. Hence my interest in the M2C (and M4).

///AVM

Big difference. Look how well 911 in general hold there value in comparison to any major BMW models. Look at the m5comp brand new you get discount. If its already registered with like 1k miles on the clock you can knock 20+k off the list price. You can't do that with any 911. 991 911 turbo s are selling just under list still lol even though the 992 turbo s has been released. BMW and porsche are completely incomparable.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

. . . there was one casualty of war in the process (pic below).

The mirror pops right right, it's on this swivel holder, you have to pry it from the center.

But too late & shit happens, that's why sometimes I just pay someone to replace stuff, so I can pass on the buck, incase of any installation snafus.

At least it wasn't the driver's side mirror, that area cost more because it also dims..

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The mirror pops right right, it's on this swivel holder, you have to pry it from the center.

But too late & shit happens, that's why sometimes I just pay someone to replace stuff, so I can pass on the buck, incase of any installation snafus.

At least it wasn't the driver's side mirror, that area cost more because it also dims..

This is the answer - ive done 10 or so that way

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by MKParris

This is the answer - ive done 10 or so that way

Yea but don't blame him, the mirror is fragile and stuff break all the time, no matter how careful you are...

It's going to cost him like a $100 to replace, in the grand scheme of things, that's small potatoes..

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

. . . you have to pry it from the center. . .

Poochie

I did pry from center . . . still, a casualty occurred

///AVM

[///AVM]

I cannot get over how undersized the stock exhaust tips are on the M2C . . . I am looking for the equivalent of the exhaust tips that came with AWE Track Exhaust system I put on my Macan Turbo. Nothing as of yet.

///AVM

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

I did pry from center . . . still, a casualty occurred

///AVM

I know, trust me, more shit will casually break, as the years go by and you attempt to R&R parts..

I expect it but still try to keep the losses to a minimum; that's the best attitude to maintain, to avoid driving yourself crazy...

Check this out below, just one windshield replacement and I had to replace three different $1,000 Collision Assistance cameras because the harness to remove it, requires pressure and that consequently snaps the PCB. It took three attempts to get it right. And I'm not a butter-finger, the harness really is that feeble.

Long story longer, you're preaching to the choir, as far as collateral damage goes..

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I know, trust me, more shit will casually break as the years to by and you attempt to R&R parts. . . Long story longer, you're preaching to the choir, as far as collateral damage goes..

Poochie

Yes, I have learned many lessons the hard way when it comes to this DYI stuff.

///AVM

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Gang

To bring things full circle . . .

1. Carbon fiber bits are installed . . . thank you BMW.

2. Please notice the beast is clean . . . for now.

3. Couple things regarding install of CF side mirror caps and rear diffuser . . .

(a) the stock black plastic diffuser is no joke to get off. Why? On the left and right there are plastic ‘brackets’ that clip to the top and bottom of the diffuser. The CF diffuser does not utilize the brackets, thank goodness, as it would be damn near impossible to install if required. I am sure anyone who has done the install knows what I am talking about.

(b) there are various videos on removing the stock side mirror caps, including those where the caps are just ‘yanked off.’ Not sure how that is accomplished, as I certainly did not find it feasible? I went the other route, which is to pop the mirror out . . . there was one casualty of war in the process (pic below).

Overall, took me about an hour to complete installation . . . if I took a little longer I probably would not be laying to rest the passenger side mirror.

Final note. The stock exhaust tips are WAY too small and need to be replaced. I have not decided, but looking at either (1) AC Schnitzer Sport Black or (2) ECS Tuning 4" Black Chrome tips.

///AVM

Looking good AVM. Too bad about the mirror, but you dont need to take off the mirror for the cap replacement. With the Comp you can just pry/knock out the mirror caps. With the OG you needed to remove the mirror I believe. I had posted a video I found on one of the threads that shows how to do it. Too late now, oh well, live and learn...

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Looking good AVM. Too bad about the mirror, but you dont need to take off the mirror for the cap replacement. With the Comp you can just pry/knock out the mirror caps. With the OG you needed to remove the mirror I believe. I had posted a video I found on one of the threads that shows how to do it. Too late now, oh well, live and learn...

Kutta

Thank you . . . I looked at several videos, including the one I think you are referencing where the gentleman bumped it out with a couple taps using a 'tapping tool' and rubber mallet. The problem is the same as with the videos showing people just pulling (yanking) the mirror cap off . . . it is damn near impossible (for me at least) to get the cap to move.

There is no 'part way' in getting the caps off. For example, I have no idea how the gentleman using the rubber mallet got it a 'little off' to insert tapping tool? If you get it a little off, then it is coming off pretty readily at that point and the mallet part is not necessary.

If you want to 'pry' the mirror off, well you have to pry it against the plastic housing and mirror cap, and it is very hard (impossible) to get enough tape in the available small space to be effective. In other words, getting enough tape for protection eliminates the space to put anything to pry against. Even still, I do not like prying against plastic parts.

The mirrors come off quite easily and give you access to the TWO clips on M2C (I think the videos are mostly with the M2 that appear to have three clips). Also, the M2 clips appear different than the M2C clips. For example, using needle nose pliers in many videos will not un-notch the M2C clips.

About the mirrors coming off 'quite easy' . . . they really do, but I obviously just stressed one a bit too much.

Long winded way of saying, you might be correct, but I did not find your approach feasible.

///AVM