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I have owned every generation of 911 since the 930. That is a lot of cars. The new 992 is a shadow of the visceral drivers 911. Porsche has departed from the formula of what the 911 was all about and it’s a modern 928 now with 911 headlights. The old air-cooled 911 (I still own one) is a antique and significantly smaller than a 991. In fact it’s tiny by comparison. It’s fun and not really fast but it will kill you if you drive it wrong and I respect it for that. That quality alone is what made 911 drivers some of the best sports car drivers of any manufacturer. The risk and feel of everything going on in the car. They essentially neutered today’s car and are living off the legend of the 911 days of glory. If you want a modern Porsche 911, get a 997 and call it a day. I liked it better than the 991 and couldnt make myself buy the new 992. The reason the GT 911’s are so respected is that they feel as close to a older 911 as you can get. The problem is no one drives them and only commodity buyers buy them raising their prices even more. If you want to play for free, buy a 1983-1989 911 and you can drive it for free and sell it for what you have in it. I lost my azz with my last 3 water-cooled 911s and they were perfect examples of how to option a car. This is my only 911 left. All my modern cars are BMW’s. Lift the throttle in this 911 when hammering it through a curve and it will kill you. Last edited by MystroX5; 06-10-2020 at 06:33 PM.. |
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I disagree with both of you . . . the 911 remains an incredible and aspirational sport car . . . but will say there is a reason I currently own a 718 CGTS over a 911 variant. I will just leave it at that regarding the Porsche lineup. BMW does not produce a chassis that competes with the 718 or 911 chassis . . . if they did, I would have no reason or desire to own a BMW. Once BMW inevitably trashes the M2C design and beefs it up to 4K pounds, not sure I will have any desire to own another BMW? ///AVM |
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My value system stopped at the 991 C4S. My $125k car is now $165k In 992 form and I don’t like it so I tapped out. |
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Well, I saw it coming. . . we have now fully digressed into a typical Porsche forum thread.
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The 991.2 feels numb in comparison to a 997/996 and that may be a better option financially and fun wise as it has depreciated low enough you won’t loose much if you move on. It will check all the 911 boxes most look for without all the stress and technology nightmares a preowned 991/992 will bring. The 997 will just be a much more routine service friendly car. I didn’t mind so much at first with my C4S but after awhile I got bored as it takes away a lot of the fun I bought a 911 for. You can feel it progressive through the generations that the magic of conveying to the road became synthesized to the point it felt artificial. I guess you have to have experienced the change in real time to appreciate how far it has gone. It’s a fast weapon of speed but at the cost of fun IMO. I would go 997S or get the C4S if you want to drive bat crap crazy in the turns. IMO, going stupid fast is easy these days including in a SUV. It’s the fun and drivers rewards that is becoming extremely rare in sports cars. Once again it’s all what you invision your 911 to be to you. Last edited by MystroX5; 06-10-2020 at 09:22 PM.. |
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Yup. Thinking hard about 911 in a couple years.
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Going to have to disagree with some of the comments made about Porsche here. But there is absolutely nothing in BMW's lineup now that drives like a 981 GT4. (And I am not even talking about the 718 GT4 which is the superior car.)
I love my M2C, but it does not inspire the same level of confidence (not even close) as my previous GT4 did on the twisties. The GT4 is a Ferrari without the big engine, and a superior driver's car to any 911 iteration save the GT class. I have tracked my brother's 991.1 GTS, but it just isn't on the same level as my previous GT4 was. It's a major reason I have to put coilovers on my M2C as I feel I am going to tip over when cornering. Also, people continually dismiss the aural pleasure of driving something like a 981 GT4. That car sounded amazing. No M car sounds remotely as good as the GT4 did. BMW does not make a true sports car. So if one talks about the ingress/egress of a performance car, you need to compare apples to apples. BMW makes nothing comparable to the Cayman, Corvette, Miata, 570S, S2000 et al, and all these sport cars have severe ingress/egress compared to BMWs. Not to offend my BMW brethren, but BMW M cars are tarted up luxury cars with sport components. They are not bespoke sports cars like the Cayman or 911 chassis. Anyway, didn't want to change topics from the new M4, but I just had to chime in. Doesn't take away from the fact that I still really enjoy my M2C. As for the new M4, I do agree with the assessment that we will get used to it...eventually. It requires a paradigm shift in thinking about automobile aesthetics. We are so used to the current BMW grill...for decades it has been essentially the same. Last edited by csbear; 06-21-2020 at 07:16 PM.. |
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