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Nobody is saying everyone should keep quiet about the additional weight. I'm one of those who complained out loud about the extra 150lbs weight. I would have preferred a lighter car like everyone else and I'm not going to praise BMW for adding weight even though the car apparently handles and feels even better now according to several reviews. If you wanna complain and criticize BMW about the new Ms getting heavier, I'm 100% behind it as everyone should. However, my point is some people take it on a whole new level by making some incorrect, apples-to-oranges comparisons. "M2C weighs more than even an M3/M4" is one of the most popular lines ever since the first details started to come out. This thread is for those trolls, haters, or whatever you wanna call them. Yes, M2C and M3/M4 weigh pretty much the same +/- 30lbs won't make any difference for anybody but as I said, that's not the point. |
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In fact, one of the main reasons why I looked for a different BBK setup was not because of weight savings. I learned about the weight savings later on and was pleasantly surprised. The stock BBK on M2C won't let you run any 18" track wheels due to its massive size. |
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Still can't believe the M2 has ballooned up to 3600 lbs.... Why does the same DCT weigh 55 lbs in one car and 60 in another? |
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no way man... just add MOAR M POWER . you'll never know it's there. The coefficient of drag on the M2 COMP is now 0.35 vs 0.34 on the M4.. |
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Highly likely the M4 is more aerodynamic due to the more bulbous and traditional greenhouse of the 2 series. |
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e46 M3 w/SMG -->3,508 lbs e92 M3 w/DCT -->3,630 lbs f87 M2C /DCT -->3,655 lbs f8x M3/M4 /DCT -->3685 lbs |
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Nobody said all those weigh and feel the same. However, people who don't track regularly (which is the majority of this forum) usually won't feel the difference. Just like yourself, I and several others have quite a bit track time with different cars. I tracked cars from M2, M3, M4 to Viper TA, open wheel Formula Mazda. I do know 150lbs is noticeable at the track (at least for me). I can feel the difference when I have a passenger in my M4 on the track even though it makes very little difference in terms of lap times. I agree 100% with you that 150lbs weight increase is A LOT and NOT pleasant. However, maybe you should try to look at it from a slightly different perspective. There are people here who have sold or are planning to sell their OG M2 or M3/M4s for the M2C despite the added weight. All of us here either could keep our current cars or can still buy an N55 M2 since there are still reasonable number of them on dealer lots. But all these people want S55 in a shorther wheelbase and some of us are willing to spend even more to easily shave off that extra weight. That should tell you something IMO. The bottom line is BMW is NOT gonna give you a 3400lbs car with S55 for sub 60K. As I said in a different thread, if you are after N55 M2 with its lesser weight, go for it! I'd rather have an M2C with S55 and spend another 10-15K on top of it to shave off 150-200lbs.
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e46 M3 w/SMG -->3,508 lbs e92 M3 w/DCT -->3,630 lbs F87 M2 w/DCT - - > 3505 lbs F87 M2C /DCT -->3,655 lbs f8x M3/M4 /DCT -->3685 lbs Quote:
An M2 comp in an equivalent 6MT is 305 lbs more than my 1M. I originally was interested in the M2 as a replacement for the 1M.. and BMW originally repeated the 1M curb weight in the Euro figures. However.. When the 3450 lb OG M2 came stateside that was a disappointment to me. I have been hoping for a CS or CSL that would apply some weight savings.. but instead we have an even FATTER M2 (competition makes it Heavier) model now. At this point.. for me.. all F8X are a disappointment. I am keeping the 1M and will look to potentially upgrade my X1 to an X3M40 or X3M. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 07-30-2018 at 05:58 PM.. |
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Prior to my ownership of the 1M... was an E30 M3... much more fun than a Miata... and 2680 lbs.... indeed.. nearly the full 1K lbs lighter than an M2 C. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 07-30-2018 at 06:20 PM.. |
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2019 Chevrolet Corvette Weight: 3,298 lbs 2018 Porsche Cayman Base Curb Weight (lbs.): 2943 2018 Nissan 370 Z 3333-3386 lbs 3600lbs is a GT (grand tourer) or muscle car weight.. ... which is what all F8X are. Not a small coupe/sporty car/sportscar weight. 1992 Mazda Miata - 2100 lbs (940 https://mossmiata.com/miata-1992 1998 2250-2350 lbs https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-miata-page-10 2004.. 2500 lbs https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...iata-road-test Mazda is clearly concerned about weight and has REDUCED weight. BMW is not and has INCREASED weight. 2010 -2542 https://www.vehiclehistory.com/vehic...x-5-miata/2010 2018 - back down to 2300 lbs So...over a 20 year span... mazda has gone back to basics... I was hoping BMW would make SOME sort of effort to reduce weight. AFTER all.. they screamed about EFFICENT DYNAMICS when the 1M was made... but what they have done since is the opposite. INEFFICIENT but DYNAMIC. take a look at the following page which has the weights for many different cars... when it comes to a sport or sporty car.. the BMWs 2 series is heavier than nearly all competitors. http://autotk.com/weight/nissan/370z/ Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 07-30-2018 at 07:31 PM.. |
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Regarding your comment that I do not favor modern BMWs. I own the following- 2004 E46 vert, a 2011 1M and a 2013 X1 which was made thru 2015. So.. if 2013 doesn't count as " any modern BMW " then .. I must inform you that I AM interested in the X3M40 or the X3M. The X3M40 would be a fine upgrade but I'm thinking that an X3M would be the best option available for me if I'm gonna buy a 3600 lb plus M CAR.. |
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