Dedicated Track tires

ZM2 · 01-30-2019, 08:52 AM

I don't know anything about the Conti's, but 71R's suck on the street! Loud, noisy, and uncomfortable just for a few autox a year, IMO.

DOMs335D · 01-30-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bi0hazard

If you could only pick ONE SET of tires between Conti ECS and RE71 for a daily driver with a few yealy autocross events, which one would you pick?That's my conundrum now, as my stock super sports are done.

I would pick ECS for sure. They are much better than PSS and they will outlast the RE71R's. I've heard people putting up to 10k onto the Bridgestone's but most people that daily them and track them only get around 5k so you're much better off with ECS. I haven't compared them to the new MP4S, but my guess would be that the ECS is better.

bi0hazard · 01-30-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMs335D

I would pick ECS for sure. They are much better than PSS and they will outlast the RE71R's. I've heard people putting up to 10k onto the Bridgestone's but most people that daily them and track them only get around 5k so you're much better off with ECS. I haven't compared them to the new MP4S, but my guess would be that the ECS is better.

Thanks! Just the advice I was looking for.

ZM2 · 01-30-2019, 12:13 PM

TR likes the 4S over the Conti for both performance and comfort: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=223

Neither will match the grip of the 71R, but I’ve been impressed with the relative grip, comfort, and longevity of my 4S’s over the last 2yrs.

bi0hazard · 01-30-2019, 12:19 PM

No doubt about the 4S. I just hate the price. But you do get what you pay for. Also, I never really liked Super Sports that came with the car.

ZM2 · 01-30-2019, 12:25 PM

Something to keep in mind:

Michelin performance tires tend to last longer than Conti performance tires, so the cost difference isnt that much, especially when factoring in more frequent mounting/balancing with Conti’s. I don’t know if that’s still the case with the ECS’s or not.

I’m at 18k miles and 6-7 track days on my PS4S’s and they still have 1/3 life left.

All this said, I’d find a cheap scuffed up set of OEM wheels and mount some 71R’s on them for autox/track days.

greasypeanut · 01-30-2019, 03:59 PM

I run federal rs-rr 255/35 18, they run wide. The main thing I was looking for is cost effectiveness. The federals are perfect as they last longer than my mpss, have more grip, and can withstand more heat.

No they won't get me the best times but I don't care as I'm going to the track to improve my skills. I'm an intermediate level driver and I'm only comparing lap times against myself. I've seen plenty of other "faster on spec sheet" cars running sport cups and nittos and they're running around the same times as me. (slow)

Running the federals at 450 a set vs the aforementioned brands at 1k+ allows me to spend that money on track days and hotels. Also I don't feel so bad when I mess up and go into a long sideways skid and flat spot a single tire and now have to replace all 4.

ZM2 · 01-30-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by greasypeanut

I run federal rs-rr 255/35 18, they run wide. The main thing I was looking for is cost effectiveness. The federals are perfect as they last longer than my mpss, have more grip, and can withstand more heat.

No they won't get me the best times but I don't care as I'm going to the track to improve my skills. I'm an intermediate level driver and I'm only comparing lap times against myself. I've seen plenty of other "faster on spec sheet" cars running sport cups and nittos and they're running around the same times as me. (slow)

Running the federals at 450 a set vs the aforementioned brands at 1k+ allows me to spend that money on track days and hotels. Also I don't feel so bad when I mess up and go into a long sideways skid and flat spot a single tire and now have to replace all 4.

Cool man, hadn’t heard of those. Here’s a good review: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/y87my78/

Looks like they’d make for a great cheap square setup. If they only had wider sizes for a staggered setup...

detroitm2 · 01-30-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by greasypeanut

I run federal rs-rr 255/35 18, they run wide. The main thing I was looking for is cost effectiveness. The federals are perfect as they last longer than my mpss, have more grip, and can withstand more heat.

No they won't get me the best times but I don't care as I'm going to the track to improve my skills. I'm an intermediate level driver and I'm only comparing lap times against myself. I've seen plenty of other "faster on spec sheet" cars running sport cups and nittos and they're running around the same times as me. (slow)

Running the federals at 450 a set vs the aforementioned brands at 1k+ allows me to spend that money on track days and hotels. Also I don't feel so bad when I mess up and go into a long sideways skid and flat spot a single tire and now have to replace all 4.

Actually planning on running these this year. Going with a 275/35r18 square setup on apex EC-7 18x10s. Have a set of Hoosier R7s on there right now, but am slightly concerned running those as I've never tracked the M2, and I know slicks are not the most forgiving.

bi0hazard · 01-30-2019, 04:26 PM

I've seen good stuff written about firestone firehawk 500 as well. Tirerack has a decent review of them.

greasypeanut · 01-30-2019, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZM2

Cool man, hadn’t heard of those. Here’s a good review: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/y87my78/

Looks like they’d make for a great cheap square setup. If they only had wider sizes for a staggered setup...

My research showed me that for federals add 10 for the section width. My 255s are really 265. Don't know how wide you want to go, but that might help

ZM2 · 01-30-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by greasypeanut

My research showed me that for federals add 10 for the section width. My 255s are really 265. Don't know how wide you want to go, but that might help

Appreciate that. I’m in the 295/305 club and once you go there, it’s hard to go back to square. So, don’t do it.

detroitm2 · 01-30-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by greasypeanut

My research showed me that for federals add 10 for the section width. My 255s are really 265. Don't know how wide you want to go, but that might help

Are they 10 wider than the advertised section width for them? Trying to compare to the hoosier R7's I have now. Need to fit for spacers, and am not sure if I'll be ordering the federals before that happens.

Checked the specs on them:

The Federal RS-RR 275/35r18's have a section width of 10.9".
The Hoosier R7 275/35r18 have a section width of 10.7".

Thats around 5mm wider on the Federals. Will have to keep that in mind when I get my spacers figured out for suspension clearance. Was going to try to go as close as possible to the suspension (3mm was recommended from Apex), but it looks like I'll need to go slightly farther to fit RS-RR's later. Probably want 8-10mm clearance from suspension to be safe.

GasBurnlife(landapanda) · 01-30-2019, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by detroitm2

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Originally Posted by greasypeanut

My research showed me that for federals add 10 for the section width. My 255s are really 265. Don't know how wide you want to go, but that might help

Are they 10 wider than the advertised section width for them? Trying to compare to the hoosier R7's I have now. Need to fit for spacers, and am not sure if I'll be ordering the federals before that happens.

Checked the specs on them:

The Federal RS-RR 275/35r18's have a section width of 10.9".
The Hoosier R7 275/35r18 have a section width of 10.7".

Thats around 5mm wider on the Federals. Will have to keep that in mind when I get my spacers figured out for suspension clearance. Was going to try to go as close as possible to the suspension (3mm was recommended from Apex), but it looks like I'll need to go slightly farther to fit RS-RR's later. Probably want 8-10mm clearance from suspension to be safe.

I ran the fire hawks on summit main on my 535 over a 3 days weekend in August and they held up great. Highly recommend them if you are not chasing seconds and you can get a set for $750 installed.

dcgolfdr · 02-05-2019, 12:38 PM

Has anyone tried Yoko’s ADO8R’s? I had them on my GTI many moons ago and liked them. These would be a replacement for the PSS in my OEM wheels. I wants to arrive and drive, no swapping wheels/tires.

Twt · 02-05-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dcgolfdr

Has anyone tried Yoko’s ADO8R’s? I had them on my GTI many moons ago and liked them. These would be a replacement for the PSS in my OEM wheels. I wants to arrive and drive, no swapping wheels/tires.

I tossed my factory Contis and put these on....I drive them to the track and swap out to my Rcomps/slicks. When it's wet or I am too lazy to put on my track wheels I run these and they are great.....good grip and wear like iron. On the street they behave well without excessive noise.

PLF69 · 02-05-2019, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dcgolfdr

Has anyone tried Yoko's ADO8R's? I had them on my GTI many moons ago and liked them. These would be a replacement for the PSS in my OEM wheels. I wants to arrive and drive, no swapping wheels/tires.

Thats also my plan when I go trough the oem PSS

chief1richard · 02-06-2019, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dcgolfdr

Has anyone tried Yoko’s ADO8R’s? I had them on my GTI many moons ago and liked them. These would be a replacement for the PSS in my OEM wheels. I wants to arrive and drive, no swapping wheels/tires.

Was considering them, but found some close-out Dunlop Direezza 11 at Tire Rack for a nice discount. They sound like good tires from what I read.

CryptoM2 · 02-06-2019, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chief1richard

Was considering them, but found some close-out Dunlop Direezza 11 at Tire Rack for a nice discount. They sound like good tires from what I read.

Hope you like to aquaplane

chief1richard · 02-06-2019, 08:10 PM

life is on the track. Everything else is just waiting.

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Hope you like to aquaplane

Actually I do. But when it rains I put on my rain tires, MPSS.

GVN*2FLY · 02-08-2019, 12:21 PM

Question: Do I need a spacer up front for 275/35-18 NT01's?

Context: '16 M2 - I've ran 265/35-18 RE71s for 2 seasons now and have got a set of 275/35-18 NT01s mounted on Apex FL-5 9.5" ET28s. My M2 has MP coilovers, lowered 10mm up front and GC camber plates set at -2.75.

My initial test drive went well with what I think (don't know for sure) was very slight contact with the coilovers and only very minor rubbing with inner well at full turn (won't happen on track).

Thus the question if I need a 5mm spacer up front? I'm thinking I might order a pair of 5 mm spacers just in case I need them.

Anyone else running this setup?

dvas · 02-08-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GVN*2FLY

Question: Do I need a spacer up front for 275/35-18 NT01's?

Context: '16 M2 - I've ran 265/35-18 RE71s for 2 seasons now and have got a set of 275/35-18 NT01s mounted on Apex FL-5 9.5" ET28s. My M2 has MP coilovers, lowered 10mm up front and GC camber plates set at -2.75.

My initial test drive went well with what I think (don't know for sure) was very slight contact with the coilovers and only very minor rubbing with inner well at full turn (won't happen on track).

Thus the question if I need a 5mm spacer up front? I'm thinking I might order a pair of 5 mm spacers just in case I need them.

Anyone else running this setup?

I'm on a similar setup, square 275/35 18 NT01s and with Bilstein lowered suspension with -3.2 camber, albeit on 18x10 ET33 Apex wheels. I run 12mm spacers up front. I haven’t experienced any rubbing issues.

You should be able to visually check if there is enough gap between your tire and coilover spring.

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ZM2 Brigadier General 2811 Rep 3,695 Posts Drives: 2017 LBB M2 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Baltimore iTrader: (1)	I don't know anything about the Conti's, but 71R's suck on the street! Loud, noisy, and uncomfortable just for a few autox a year, IMO.
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ZM2 Brigadier General 2811 Rep 3,695 Posts Drives: 2017 LBB M2 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Baltimore iTrader: (1)	TR likes the 4S over the Conti for both performance and comfort: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=223 Neither will match the grip of the 71R, but I’ve been impressed with the relative grip, comfort, and longevity of my 4S’s over the last 2yrs.
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bi0hazard Second Lieutenant 132 Rep 229 Posts Drives: '17 m2 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: texas iTrader: (0)	No doubt about the 4S. I just hate the price. But you do get what you pay for. Also, I never really liked Super Sports that came with the car. __________________ 17 m2: CSF Turbo FMIC, Fabspeed DP, BM3 Stage 2, VRSF Charge Pipe, Schroth quick fit, Vorshlag CC plates, Apex 18x10, BMS Clutch Stop. Last edited by bi0hazard; 01-30-2019 at 12:20 PM.. Reason: v
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ZM2 Brigadier General 2811 Rep 3,695 Posts Drives: 2017 LBB M2 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Baltimore iTrader: (1)	Something to keep in mind: Michelin performance tires tend to last longer than Conti performance tires, so the cost difference isnt that much, especially when factoring in more frequent mounting/balancing with Conti’s. I don’t know if that’s still the case with the ECS’s or not. I’m at 18k miles and 6-7 track days on my PS4S’s and they still have 1/3 life left. All this said, I’d find a cheap scuffed up set of OEM wheels and mount some 71R’s on them for autox/track days. Last edited by ZM2; 01-30-2019 at 12:41 PM..
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greasypeanut Second Lieutenant 230 Rep 254 Posts Drives: F87 Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: 949 iTrader: (0)	I run federal rs-rr 255/35 18, they run wide. The main thing I was looking for is cost effectiveness. The federals are perfect as they last longer than my mpss, have more grip, and can withstand more heat. No they won't get me the best times but I don't care as I'm going to the track to improve my skills. I'm an intermediate level driver and I'm only comparing lap times against myself. I've seen plenty of other "faster on spec sheet" cars running sport cups and nittos and they're running around the same times as me. (slow) Running the federals at 450 a set vs the aforementioned brands at 1k+ allows me to spend that money on track days and hotels. Also I don't feel so bad when I mess up and go into a long sideways skid and flat spot a single tire and now have to replace all 4.
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bi0hazard Second Lieutenant 132 Rep 229 Posts Drives: '17 m2 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: texas iTrader: (0)	I've seen good stuff written about firestone firehawk 500 as well. Tirerack has a decent review of them. __________________ 17 m2: CSF Turbo FMIC, Fabspeed DP, BM3 Stage 2, VRSF Charge Pipe, Schroth quick fit, Vorshlag CC plates, Apex 18x10, BMS Clutch Stop. Last edited by bi0hazard; 01-30-2019 at 04:26 PM.. Reason: f
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dcgolfdr Wheelsucker 199 Rep 1,280 Posts Drives: Truck Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, VA iTrader: (16)	Has anyone tried Yoko’s ADO8R’s? I had them on my GTI many moons ago and liked them. These would be a replacement for the PSS in my OEM wheels. I wants to arrive and drive, no swapping wheels/tires.
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GVN*2FLY Private 102 Rep 98 Posts Drives: ‘16 GT4\|‘22 X3MC Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Houston, Texas, USA iTrader: (0)	Do I need a spacer up front for 275/35-18 NT01's? Question: Do I need a spacer up front for 275/35-18 NT01's? Context: '16 M2 - I've ran 265/35-18 RE71s for 2 seasons now and have got a set of 275/35-18 NT01s mounted on Apex FL-5 9.5" ET28s. My M2 has MP coilovers, lowered 10mm up front and GC camber plates set at -2.75. My initial test drive went well with what I think (don't know for sure) was very slight contact with the coilovers and only very minor rubbing with inner well at full turn (won't happen on track). Thus the question if I need a 5mm spacer up front? I'm thinking I might order a pair of 5 mm spacers just in case I need them. Anyone else running this setup?
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