[rjn]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Yes. And when your car comes out of a corner and it's in the wrong gear, then a shift is needed , versus a car in the correct gear that doesn't need to shift.

I hear you. Really, I do. Certainly a possibility.

But, with ruler a flat torque curve, less likely than back in the day (e.g. remember above or below the S52 4500 vanos rpm?), and the DCT 7th cog is not likely in play at most tracks.

And it's still just talk and conjecture on my part. I'm not arguing. Really looking forward to finding out for real after delivery.

Peace

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by rjn

I hear you. Really, I do. Certainly a possibility.

But, with ruler a flat torque curve, less likely than back in the day (e.g. remember above or below the S52 4500 vanos rpm?), and the DCT 7th cog is not likely in play at most tracks.

And it's still just talk and conjecture on my part. I'm not arguing. Really looking forward to finding out for real after delivery.

Peace

I don't have the answer either, and I would love to see some back to back tests of DCT vs manual.

If you have seen of the comments about the M2 and the M235/240 and looked at the gearing of the two, it has already been shown that the top speed of the seven speed DCT M2 in fourth gear is about 8-10 mph lower than the six speed in the m235/240. The non m car is actually faster ...

[tke743]

LOL, even in the video you can't see the dials...

[MINI135i]

Bill don't need no shuffle steer

https://youtu.be/qvYsMyumOI8

We are kinda picking on this journalist in good fun, but truly his lap speed, was probably more or less in line with what it should be as you make comparisons to other cars, E92 M3, M4, etc. in the past CD lighting laps.

So I must ask since it was stated that shuffle steer is being taught by track instructors...WHY? To what advantage? The only thing I can fathom is the instructors want them to be better at transitioning back to street driving after the track session

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by MINI135i

Bill don't need no shuffle steer

https://youtu.be/qvYsMyumOI8

We are kinda picking on this journalist in good fun, but truly his lap speed, was probably more or less in line with what it should be as you make comparisons to other cars, E92 M3, M4, etc. in the past CD lighting laps.

So I must ask since it was stated that shuffle steer is being taught by track instructors...WHY? To what advantage? The only thing I can fathom is the instructors want them to be better at transitioning back to street driving after the track session

Yes, it's definitely what it, "should" be, however, certainly not what it could be.

"The M2 should be a few seconds behind the M4" - Bill Auberlen, the first day of the Lightning lap test.

"Got it" - C&D editors

[ashburyn54]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

It's not difficult to be faster than that guy, there are many of us on these forums that are.

I will caveat this by saying I have not tracked on the M2 specific variant of the PSS, and I acknowledge there may be a compound difference. But the normal PSS tires will chunk and delaminate if driven past the intermediate level unless you alternate hot laps with a couple of cool down laps. They absolutely can't run 30min sessions driven by an advanced driver without falling off and getting greasy.

I can attest to that. Even with cold temps in the high 20's when they start creeping towards 37-38psi they change character on track. That's about every 4-5 laps once they are warm. You have to back off for some time then hit it agin. Although I will say the wear wasn't awful, the fronts of course wore more on the shoulders but we all know this car needs camber up front. I kinda gave up trying to get more speed through the slow stuff because they just scrub.

I'm sure with 265/275's up front this car is a different beast. Severely tire limited in the slow stuff if your trying to be smooth/not throttle steer with your instructor yelling at you.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by MINI135i

Bill don't need no shuffle steer

https://youtu.be/qvYsMyumOI8

We are kinda picking on this journalist in good fun, but truly his lap speed, was probably more or less in line with what it should be as you make comparisons to other cars, E92 M3, M4, etc. in the past CD lighting laps.

So I must ask since it was stated that shuffle steer is being taught by track instructors...WHY? To what advantage? The only thing I can fathom is the instructors want them to be better at transitioning back to street driving after the track session

I don't know any instructors who teach shuffle steer unless you HAVE to from a physical limitation or an extremely tight corner.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

It's not difficult to be faster than that guy, there are many of us on these forums that are.

I will caveat this by saying I have not tracked on the M2 specific variant of the PSS, and I acknowledge there may be a compound difference. But the normal PSS tires will chunk and delaminate if driven past the intermediate level unless you alternate hot laps with a couple of cool down laps. They absolutely can't run 30min sessions driven by an advanced driver without falling off and getting greasy.

I'll also add a caveat that the club I run with only does ~20 minutes sessions. I'm pretty sure the C&D guys are also not running continuously for 30 minutes.

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by ashburyn54

I can attest to that. Even with cold temps in the high 20's when they start creeping towards 37-38psi they change character on track. That's about every 4-5 laps once they are warm. You have to back off for some time then hit it agin. Although I will say the wear wasn't awful, the fronts of course wore more on the shoulders but we all know this car needs camber up front. I kinda gave up trying to get more speed through the slow stuff because they just scrub.

I'm sure with 265/275's up front this car is a different beast. Severely tire limited in the slow stuff if your trying to be smooth/not throttle steer with your instructor yelling at you.

MPSS after a few hot laps at Pocono. While these tires stick well and have great feel, they do roll over and wear.

[Bamaben]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Who is this dude driving? Shuffle steering, late throttle application, etc? Hands not even in 9 and 3 position most of the time. I figured C&D would have had a racer drive the cars to get real lap times, this pretty much invalidates them all.

Terrible. Shuffle steering to just turn it 5 degrees? !

[SGL]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I'll also add a caveat that the club I run with only does ~20 minutes sessions. I'm pretty sure the C&D guys are also not running continuously for 30 minutes.

The star spec super sports feel great if you can keep the psi around 34-35 psi, once they get above that they feel greasy, I didn't have any chunking on my tires until the left side of my front left tire delaminated at 145mph during the last 40 minute session of the day. Tire still stayed together and I was able to drive it home 120 miles. Very impressed with the tire.