[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

If it's not too much trouble, could you add that the first post when you have a chance?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by stefan

I suspect that manual percentage is somewhat supported by the fact most people order these cars rather than buy them off a lot. Between that and the fact this is an enthusiast car, it makes me think that 20% manual take rate across BMWs line is pessimistic.

Across the entire BMW lineup? 20% is just unrealistic. Most models don't even come with the manual option these days and those that do rarely come close to the 20% take rate.

F32 430i - 3%
F32 435i - 10%
F32 435i xDrive - 17%
F32 440i - 9%
F32 440i xDrive - 19%

F22 M240i - 34%

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

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Across the entire BMW lineup? 20% is just unrealistic. Most models don't even come with the manual option these days and those that do rarely come close to the 20% take rate.

F32 430i - 3%
F32 435i - 10%
F32 435i xDrive - 17%
F32 440i - 9%
F32 440i xDrive - 19%

F22 M240i - 34%

Is the 440i offered with manual, I think it's 8AT only in the uk, not 100% certain?

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Is the 440i offered with manual, I think it's 8AT only in the uk, not 100% certain?

That is for the US/Canada markets only

[SoCalRob]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

The pre configured cars should have been the manufacturer demos, not chosen by the dealer. Doesn't seem to make sense for a dealer to spec the car if there is a waiting list for orders.

Maybe so. My point is that I believe many additional buyers would have selected the MT option if there were no time penalty for doing so.

Like other members, I'm rather impressed with (and proud of) the MT take-up rate in North America! -scr

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by SoCalRob

Maybe so. My point is that I believe many additional buyers would have selected the MT option if there were no time penalty for doing so.

Like other members, I'm rather impressed with (and proud of) the MT take-up rate in North America! -scr

I think you can attribute a lot of the MT orders for the M2 to the magazine reviewers who seemed to almost unanimously emphasize thar the MT was the thing to get. I hadn't seen so much praise for manual trans for other car reviews.

[bruin1md]

Originally Posted by stren

I'm not - plenty of vocal europeans on here making fun of the self diagnosed enthusiast americans for 6mt only mindset. For those driving who grew up with MT as "normal" on every car, DCT offers something seemingly more special and unique (as well as performance). There is a mindset that an expensive or performance or luxury car will not have a manual transmission as that is for cost saving and therefore only suitable for the peasants. In the US - there is more of a mindset of inferiority (both in skill and enthusiasm) if you drive an auto. As a euro born expat who grew up driving MT and now living in socal, I'm still on the MT side as I've yet to have more fun on the street with an auto, even a great auto

Happy that US and Canada are keeping the percentages high enough that we should continue to get the MT option

Those are some good points. I lived in the UK for 3 years and you're right-- given the ubiquity of MT cars, I think having the DCT would be more appreciated just from a pure performance standpoint in places where everyone else drives a MT car as their DD

[ObsidianX]

Great info! Thanks for sharing.

[OSee]

So I guess all the UK enthusiasts are waiting for the CS to get their MTs?

[DOMs335D]

I guess now I know why I got into an argument with my partner, from taiwan, about my colour choice (BSM). LOL

[SoCalRob]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

I think you can attribute a lot of the MT orders for the M2 to the magazine reviewers who seemed to almost unanimously emphasize thar the MT was the thing to get.

And, of course, those magazine reviewers were spot on! -scr

[gmzanatta]

Wow so my 6MT MY16 is one of only 44 cars in Canada! I knew Canada wasn't getting many units but damn, the numbers are much lower than I thought.

[riottyp]

Is there any source for the total production numbers worldwide?

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by riottyp

Is there any source for the total production numbers worldwide?

Just add up the totals for 1H91, 1H92 and 1H93 - that will give worldwide production.

Alternatively, check out post #12 in this thread where zenmaster already did this work.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=12

[bobert]

Interesting that the MY2016 transmission take rate for USA doesn't add up to 100% - 37.4% MT plus 48.8% DCT.

[WFS]

great post and really interesting reading. Even though im a Brit im proud of the US for MT take up, hopefully this will mean BMW keep making manuals.

[CosmosMpower]

LBB is best, proof.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Wow so my 6MT MY16 is one of only 44 cars in Canada! I knew Canada wasn't getting many units but damn, the numbers are much lower than I thought.

44 does sound low, but once you start comparing it on per capita basis against USA you'll see that it isn't that low.

Originally Posted by bobert

Interesting that the MY2016 transmission take rate for USA doesn't add up to 100% - 37.4% MT plus 48.8% DCT.

Good catch, I made a mistake in the formula where I used US + Canada production number instead of just US. Thank you for pointing it out. I corrected the mistake.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by WFS

great post and really interesting reading. Even though im a Brit im proud of the US for MT take up, hopefully this will mean BMW keep making manuals.

Hey, we are trying to do our part, but you guys aren't helping the cause any!

[reppucci]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

Now that the pre-LCI F87 production has ended, here are the production numbers.




Color take rate by country of specification



Transmission take rate by country of specification




Model year breakdown for the US/Canadian model



P.S. Don't forget to add your M2 to the www.BMWMREGISTRY.com

Great Job!!! Thank you so much for doing this! This is a lot of work!! Ask me how I know!

I can confirm this is accurate...

I independently did the 2016 numbers for NA M2's and the numbers and data match!

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=25

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

Across the entire BMW lineup? 20% is just unrealistic. Most models don't even come with the manual option these days and those that do rarely come close to the 20% take rate.
F32 430i - 3%
F32 435i - 10%
F32 435i xDrive - 17%
F32 440i - 9%
F32 440i xDrive - 19%
F22 M240i - 34%

In the CAR+ interview with BMW M about the M2 and M4 GTS (December 2015) the interviewer mentioned that manuals were expected to represent ± 40% of the M2 sales (source: here):

You'll be giving engine orders through either a six-speed manual, or, unlike the 1M, an optional dual-clutch gearbox; the latter likely to take 60% of sales.

In an interview with Digital Trends (January 2017) BMW M CEO Frank Van Meel disclosed that manuals represent ± 20% of the M2 sales, which he considers to be "a lot" (source: here):

Q: Do you think BMW M will continue to offer cars with manual transmissions ? How long term do you think that will remain an option ?
A: Well, there are two ways of looking at manual transmissions. One is the engineering standpoint, which says it doesn’t really make sense. Even though it is lighter, it is slower, and the automated gearboxes have a better fuel consumption. So from an engineering standpoint, it does not make real sense. On the other hand, there’s this emotional thing. We still have a relevant amount of people that are wanting to drive a manual, especially on M2, M3, M4, especially in the U.S., but also worldwide. On the M2 we have a worldwide take rate for manual transmissions of about 20 percent, which is a lot. As long as the demand is there, we will stick to the manual gearboxes. We see strong shifts in the demand for manual gearboxes. In the M3 and M4, it went down from generation to generation to where it is right now, between 15 and 20 percent. It used to be over 50. So it’s going down, but now it’s stable. In the M5 and M6 it went down to almost zero, so we had to take the manual out because there was no demand whatsoever. But the answer is that as long as there’s a strong demand for manual gearboxes, we will try and have them available in our cars.

As I commented in the past: though it may sound like a paradox, to me it's more accurate to say that M-DCT 'supply' is strong, rather than that 6MT 'demand' is poor. Customers are sometimes tempted to buy what's on display inside a showroom, rather than to wait a few weeks or months for a car they can spec themselves. I got the impression that most dealers seem to spec M-DCT for their showroom ///M cars. And that's a catalyst for the self-fulfilling prophecy that 'demand for manuals has decreased'.

Expectations for the new 911 GT3 6MT:

"It also gave chance to revisit discussion of the manual option with Andreas Preuninger. I start, cheekily, by reminding him that at the launch of the previous GT3 the PDK-only decision was pitched as a big improvement, largely on the basis of its faster lap times. "Well it is still faster on track," Preuninger says, "but lap times aren't everything, are they?" Preuninger stresses his ambition has always been to offer transmission choice - "like whether you take the ceramic brakes" - but limited development resources restricted what was possible. But he admits the PDK-only GT3 displeased some traditional buyers, with the huge popularity of the manual-only Cayman GT4 - and an increase in engineering resources - making the case. This was initially used in the 911 R, but the plan was always to spread the costs by offering it in the GT3 as well. Preuninger says he doesn't know how many people will opt for the manual - a zero-cost option tick in most territories - but reckons it could be as high as a third of production. "If it's less than 20 per cent then I'm in trouble," he admits."
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...l-review/36190

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by lax01

Wow...actually sort of surprised by Alpine White numbers...I thought those would be #1

Really? I see blue ones EVERYWHERE!!! White, i have seen 3 local in @15 mile radius.

[SickFinga]

Due to a mistake on my end, the original post had an inaccurate data for the RHD model. I was missing an additional 19 cars. All the affected charts were updated. I generally wait until about 3 months after the production end date when making these charts, but this time I jumped the gun and screwed up. Sorry about that.

P.S. I also added a chart showing M2 take rate per 1,000,000 people for a bunch of countries.