[akkando]

Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

@akkando I'm still somewhat hopefully they'll do the xDrive in year 2, or at some point in the future. If there isn't any sign of it by year 3 I'll definitely move towards the 3/5 instead as my daily driver replacement.

The rear head room never concerned me since I don't put passengers back there, but a little more wiggle room up front wouldn't be the worst thing ever. It depends on how it feels once you're inside the car (driver ergonomics).

Also, I'm not sure if they needed to increase the space on the inside or the length/width of the dash to fit the HUD but I'm happy the 2 series is stepping up in tech.

HUD, carbon roof standard, adaptable suspension, and the same interior A-Z as the M4 is the love we needed. Now we just need that xDrive!! I hope BMW doesn't hold back on us.

I'm hoping the g81 m3 touring comes to the USA but it doesn't seem to be in the current plans.

[6speed_M2]

@akkando that definitely seems like a lost cause at this point unfortunately. I would've loved to get one myself. I don't know why but I love the wagons with a passion, especially once you're driving one around town. They feel great.

On top of it all they left us with a soft top convertible… it doesn't get any worse

[MMMBRAP]

Originally Posted by Tag

Are you planning on getting it with the modified 'yota V6 or the merc 4 banger? Hope you're still around this forum when you get it, would like to hear about your overall experience. I'm really interested in the Emira as well, but my gut tells me it'll be sold out for some time and heavily marked up which is why I'm not holding my breath.

Going for Toyota 2GR-FE Supercharged V6 6MT. Definitely not going anywhere! Love this forum and community, and plan to stick around.

Maybe I'm biased but my experience with Lotus so far has been positive.

Put my initial deposit back in November 2021, and they're honoring MSRP pricing (got it in writing).

The only thing is I have to wait until end of 2023 for delivery.

[W///]

Why would I at least not consider it? It will be the very last ICE 6MT M ever makes. Pretty much no one on this forum has seen, sit in yet alone driven one.

At the bare minimum, I'm going to wait for the unveil in just under a year before I make up my mind (better yet, I'd like to see in person). I'm very much leaning towards keeping the F87C, but the G87 certainly has a shot. Imagine if Individual paint, carbon buckets and carbon roof can be had on this car along with a 6MT. That is a very compelling case to me, especially since I really enjoy the G80's handing.

Cars that I enjoy are getting rarer and rarer to find. In 10 years, I think there will only be a handful of new 6MT cars left. I think the G87 is going to be a very special car. Whether I prefer it to my F87C is another story.

Originally Posted by BigKutta

There are plenty to BMW "purists" who prayed to the car gods that their BMWs would not get produced in the South Africa plant. Of course my first BMW (21 years ago) did, and I was told to abandon ship, cancel, etc. It was the most reliable car I ever owned, and sold me on BMWs for the rest of my life. Just because your VW was a bum has no bearing on BMWs quality control or the fate of the new 2 series.

Considering the biggest factory by volume is in Spartanburg and not Germany, the "it has to be built in Germany or else it's not a real BMW" argument is long gone IMHO

[Kleinacus]

Let's set aside looks for now as it isn't unveiled yet. I'm not optimistic on the design but I'll hold judgment until I see it.

I'm more concerned about the low end on the s58. It is absolutely a beast and it should be respected and appreciated. However, I've heard numerous people complain about power under 5k. Will the new chassis have more rear end grip on rwd models? No doubt. Will an awd g87 eat my 500+ whp m2c from a dig to any speed or distance? Absolutely. But I'm not dragging my car. I live below 5k a lot on twisties and around town. And the tune unlocked the top end that they neutered. I am fearful that an s58 will make it a better daily and better to 60/quarter mile numbers car but sacrificing the more nimble, punchy character the m2 is known for.

If the s58 feels more naturally aspirated and loves to be rung out, I'd rather let the market cool and add an e90 m3 to the garage.

[OG Shark]

I'm on the list at my local dealership for an M4 CSL - if for some reason that doesn't pan out then I will likely pick up a G87 just to see what the new generation is all about. While I tend to favor the past couple of generations still can't overlook the performance that each new gen possesses.

[MooMooM2]

the g87 will drive amazing, the question will be how it looks. But will it remain ugly or will it grow on people (like the m3 has done to me, specially after I drove it). I doubt I will like the g87 more than the f87 because they really nailed the f87 but I actually like the g80 better than the f80 now but then again the f80 was never my thing. If I do get a g87 will be an LCI

[pz619]

I’m undecided and won’t be decided until the entire car is revealed and more info is available around the driving dynamics. I’m a little agnostic at this point towards the G87 in that it appears to be ok, but I’m also in no hurry to move on from the F87.

Time will tell!

[W///]

Originally Posted by MooMooM2

the g87 will drive amazing, the question will be how it looks. But will it remain ugly or will it grow on people (like the m3 has done to me, specially after I drove it). I doubt I will like the g87 more than the f87 because they really nailed the f87 but I actually like the g80 better than the f80 now but then again the f80 was never my thing. If I do get a g87 will be an LCI

I literally feel the same. While I prefer the looks of the F80, I'd get a G80 over it. But I've loved the F87 since day 1, so it's going to be hard to displace it unless the G87 is truly out of this world. If it's a sideways step, or backwards, then obviously I won't pull the trigger.

[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by W///

I literally feel the same. While I prefer the looks of the F80, I'd get a G80 over it. But I've loved the F87 since day 1, so it's going to be hard to displace it unless the G87 is truly out of this world. If it's a sideways step, or backwards, then obviously I won't pull the trigger.

I drove the g80 and it drove so so nice, I instantly became a fan. That said I then drove the m2 comp right after and apart from the sitting position I preferred it, was just more playful and felt more connected like I had to do more work instead of the car doing it for me. I think the same will happen with the g87, it will drive incredible since that engine is fantastic but it will feel a tiny bit less of a drivers car. But hopefully get some trades such as a better sitting position and better seats (unfortunately seems like the curved screen will be put in it so imo that is a huge downgrade, I don't want it but its not like they were going to get us analogue gauges anyways)

[W///]

Originally Posted by MooMooM2

I drove the g80 and it drove so so nice, I instantly became a fan. That said I then drove the m2 comp right after and apart from the sitting position I preferred it, was just more playful and felt more connected like I had to do more work instead of the car doing it for me. I think the same will happen with the g87, it will drive incredible since that engine is fantastic but it will feel a tiny bit less of a drivers car. But hopefully get some trades such as a better sitting position and better seats (unfortunately seems like the curved screen will be put in it so imo that is a huge downgrade, I don't want it but its not like they were going to get us analogue gauges anyways)

I walked away with same assessment although I didn't have my M2 at the time. G80 front end felt so sharp and confidence inspiring. As you said, the car was doing some pretty impressive things for being so big.

The M2 is quite different. I see it as it doesn't take itself seriously which I like. Especially with a 6MT, you kind of have to think about what you're doing. It doesn't put down the power nearly as well but it's just a very playful car while not feeling out of control. I think it's a hoot for street driving

I'm not scared of the interior of the G87. Screen doesn't scare me one way or another, but the carbon buckets were so stunning. I'd love something like that in the F87

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Kleinacus

Let's set aside looks for now as it isn't unveiled yet. I'm not optimistic on the design but I'll hold judgment until I see it.

I'm more concerned about the low end on the s58. It is absolutely a beast and it should be respected and appreciated. However, I've heard numerous people complain about power under 5k. Will the new chassis have more rear end grip on rwd models? No doubt. Will an awd g87 eat my 500+ whp m2c from a dig to any speed or distance? Absolutely. But I'm not dragging my car. I live below 5k a lot on twisties and around town. And the tune unlocked the top end that they neutered. I am fearful that an s58 will make it a better daily and better to 60/quarter mile numbers car but sacrificing the more nimble, punchy character the m2 is know for.

If the s58 feels more naturally aspirated and loves to be rung out, I'd rather let the market cool and add an e90 m3 to the garage.

That's another thing. I am worried about the engine tune they slap on the s58 in the g87. More turbo lag is the nature of that engine and the neutered tune will probably kill the top end and make it go flat as they did with the M2C. I am sure an after market tune can fix it but don't know if it can be tuned, and even if it can be many won't want it.

[JustinHEMI]

I'm not considering, I am. First in line for allocation at my dealer and will order as soon as permitted. Why? Because it's going to be a fantastic car.

[Rumbloki]

Keeping an eye out for power output and crank hub design.
All wheel drive would be cool if there is control of the bias

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Rumbloki

Keeping an eye out for power output and crank hub design.
All wheel drive would be cool if there is control of the bias

The crank hub was completely redesigned on the B58 engine and does not suffer from the same design flaw of legacy BMW engines. Being that the S58 is a high output variant of the B58 this is no longer a concern. This is great for tunes, but you still need to have someone crack the ECU which I think will be the main concern if you're looking for tuning potential.

There are no plans to date on an AWD G87. Maybe in a few years when the LCI comes out they'll offer AWD, but even then it seems highly unlikely.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Tag

The crank hub was completely redesigned on the B58 engine and does not suffer from the same design flaw of legacy BMW engines. Being that the S58 is a high output variant of the B58 this is no longer a concern. This is great for tunes, but you still need to have someone crack the ECU which I think will be the main concern if you're looking for tuning potential.

There are no plans to date on an AWD G87. Maybe in a few years when the LCI comes out they'll offer AWD, but even then it seems highly unlikely.

I doubt they'll ever offer an AWD option of the M2.

It's lower tier vehicle, so there is that exclusivity factor they would try to maintain with only the G80/82 and above. And AWD done M style would push the M2 out their target price range.

The M version the AWD is not just skin-deep, it's the real deal but it adds a slew of complexity, from two separate e-diffs front & back, new DSCi e-brakes, that modules electronically, without the need for hydraulic pressure and back and a host of other electronics that vectors power.

The M2 with an AWD option would add $4,000 to its sticker price and TBH, it's really not necessary on a small wheel based vehicle, if you know how to actually drive, i.e. aware of and respect the limits of your vehicle, proper feathering of the throttle and use of season-appropriate tires.

If you use common sense defensive driving, modern BMW RWD systems give you enough slack to regain control, for the most part, rendering AWD is an overkill for these streets but there is market for it and on BMW M cars they done it right.

[Project_F87]

Yes, simply due to the performance the car will offer. Still deciding between this and 2 other cars, but it's looking promising for me specifically

[Brokenbones]

Stocking w f87 until I get a Porsche.
New g87 had encounter with ugly stick. Rear seats useless.

[Tag]

2023 BMW M2 Spied Attacking The Nurburgring At Full Tilt

[(K)]

Will likely purchase. Whether it will be a replacement or an addition to the awesome F87 is what I'm currently debating.

[Aim.F32]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

Yes, simply due to the performance the car will offer. Still deciding between this and 2 other cars, but it's looking promising for me specifically

Which other cars are you considering?

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Aim.F32

Which other cars are you considering?

Lotus Emira and Porsche 718 GT4