[murderspice]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

And? Collectors also value 6 cyl 1967 Mustangs, but that doesn't make them valuable to me. I don't get why so many OG owners get butthurt. I specifically said "to me", meaning it is my opinion, right or wrong. It shouldn't affect you enjoying your car or spending your money where you see fit.

No one is butthurt. I was merely pointing out that your opinion does not coincide with reality.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by murderspice

No one is butthurt. I was merely pointing out that your opinion does not coincide with reality.

reality as YOU see it? Yeah, probably.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

reality as YOU see it? Yeah, probably.

What is old is new again. This answers your other acct’s question too

https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/04/11/t...w-m2-vs-m235i/

[Philly_sweden]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

I'd get the Comp all day long. 60k miles is nothing, plenty of S55s running around with 150k plus miles. To me, the OG is closer to a 235i than a M car, whereas the Comp is a real M car, and as such will be easier to sell, although some like their OGs and that's cool too, just a harder sell because you need to find that odd guy that cares ONLY for the sound (like our backwards friend, Philly Sweden), especially if the price is the same.

I love that my car sounds lovely and I love that you get butthurt because of the shitty sound your car makes

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by murderspice

What is old is new again. This answers your other acct’s question too

https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/04/11/t...w-m2-vs-m235i/

and what question would that be? It's not a M engine. That's a fact. It's a warmed over N55, and that's okay. Had one in my 135i and liked it.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by Philly_sweden

I love that my car sounds lovely and I love that you get butthurt because of the shitty sound your car makes

lol, whatever helps you sleep at night

[DanG]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

and what question would that be? It's not a M engine. That's a fact. It's a warmed over N55, and that's okay. Had one in my 135i and liked it.

Really tired of this not an M engine argument. The iconic M1 had an M88/1 engine. So the first and probably most expensive M car does not have an engine number starting with S.

[Philly_sweden]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

lol, whatever helps you sleep at night

Pays around 60k? And gets a car that sounds like a 2000 dollar Honda lol. Can YOU sleep good at Night?

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by DanG

Really tired of this not an M engine argument. The iconic M1 had an M88/1 engine. So the first and probably most expensive M car does not have an engine number starting with S.

its not an argument, its a fact. It isn't an M engine. You can justify it however you'd like, but that won't change, and it shouldn't stop you from enjoying your car.

Originally Posted by Philly_sweden

Pays around 60k? And gets a car that sounds like a 2000 dollar Honda lol. Can YOU sleep good at Night?

It could sound like a moped (it doesn't) if that means I get to go fast, as oppose to sound fast but go as fast as the $2000 Honda

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by DanG

Really tired of this not an M engine argument. The iconic M1 had an M88/1 engine. So the first and probably most expensive M car does not have an engine number starting with S.

Not that it particularly matters, but of course the M88 in the M1 wasn't an "S" designated engine because it would 8 years before BMW started designating BMW Motorsport road going engines with an "S" (when the S14 debuted).

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by DanG

Really tired of this not an M engine argument. The iconic M1 had an M88/1 engine. So the first and probably most expensive M car does not have an engine number starting with S.

I mean, it didn’t even have M mirrors and the seat badge doesn’t light up!! How can that be a real M?!

(/s for the needy)

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

It's not a M engine. It's a warmed over N55

Is that because the S55 has better cooling?

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Is that because the S55 has better cooling?

The N55 in the OG M2 has a few beefed up parts compared to the normal N55. The S55 has been reworked for Motorsport use. It is able to make much more horsepower with just a flash tune without any physical changes to the engine. The N55 on the other hand will need many physical upgrades to pump out a lot more power. If you don't plan on tuning then the N55 is a good motor out of the box. I had one in my M235i, it was plenty fast for street use.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The N55 in the OG M2 has a few beefed up parts compared to the normal N55. The S55 has been reworked for Motorsport use. It is able to make much more horsepower with just a flash tune without any physical changes to the engine. The N55 on the other hand will need many physical upgrades to pump out a lot more power. If you don't plan on tuning then the N55 is a good motor out of the box. I had one in my M235i, it was plenty fast for street use.

Wow, I didn't realize the S55 has so much more potential...

[DanG]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Not that it particularly matters, but of course the M88 in the M1 wasn't an "S" designated engine because it would 8 years before BMW started designating BMW Motorsport road going engines with an "S" (when the S14 debuted).

Yep. Proves the point that not all real M cars have engines starting with S.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Is that because the S55 has better cooling?

It's a lot more than that. It's a closed deck design, vs the open deck of the N55. The extra cooling and I don't mean just the extra radiators, but the intercooler too. The fact that it power doesn't drop off like a rock past 5000 rpm and so on. It's an engine made to be driven at high rpm for extended period of time. There is a reason a FBO N55 will make like 430hp whereas a S55 with just a flash tune will make 500. They simply aren't on the same planet, and it's not just the engine.

[murderspice]

1 sec difference is not “another planet.” But keep trolling; your insecurity is palpable.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

So the engine code is the only thing that makes it an M car. Got it.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

So the engine code is the only thing that makes it an M car. Got it.

hey what's up Al? How's the fuel pump from Cuba working out in the Dodge?

[qnet]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

I'd get the Comp all day long. 60k miles is nothing, plenty of S55s running around with 150k plus miles. To me, the OG is closer to a 235i than a M car, whereas the Comp is a real M car, and as such will be easier to sell, although some like their OGs and that's cool too, just a harder sell because you need to find that odd guy that cares ONLY for the sound (like our backwards friend, Philly Sweden), especially if the price is the same.

I agree about the OP getting the M2C since he already had the OG. I had previously never had an issue with the S55 sound.

I was in Florida and saw an M2C going in the other direction. The driver got on it (something other M owners do when they see another M car I've noticed). I didn't like the sound. To be fair, he could have been running an aftermarket exhaust. I saw YouTube videos of aftermarket exhaust on M2's and haven't liked a lot of them, but that's just me.

On the engine topic. One peculiar thing I've always wondered about is how BMW worded the engine cover. On the OG M2, it says powered by M, on the S55 it says M power.

It's a weird play on words, maybe meaning the N55 in the OG M2 isn't exactly an M engine or it is sort of? LOL

All in all, I don't care. This is a subject that goes on and on mainly in car forums. Whenever I try to explain the difference to regular people they have no clue and don't care. I didn't mean to start anything, but should have known better, LOL.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by qnet

This is a subject that goes on and on mainly in car forums. Whenever I try to explain the difference to regular people they have no clue and don't care. I didn't mean to start anything, but should have known better, LOL.

Absolutely...it's 100% meaningless to the vast majority of people. Even to other marque enthusiasts, if one tries to explain to them the difference between say the M performance cars (guess that's what they're called, heck we just bought one recently) such as an M340i with an M3, M3 Competition, M3 CS, their eyes glaze over. It's easier to simply say increased power, handling, cost. Out of all that, the M2C is the only BMW that received a complete engine and cooling system change (in addition to brake calipers and rotors, seats, etc) when it acquired the "Competition" moniker... so after explaining all the changes between the original M2 and the M2C, everyone is then forever tainted on the meaning of other "Competition" versions of M cars...then they try to back level that knowledge to earlier M cars and believe something like the "Competition package" on the E9x M3 is something major (as opposed to just different wheels, different damper tuning, 10mm lower springs, revised MDM coding).

It's almost as bad as trying to explain the evolution of Michelin's highest performance summer tire via the names they were given through the decades (and in the meantime Bridgestone has used RE-71 since the mid 1980s). The upcoming PS4S replacement is called the PS S 5, so naturally it will be referred to as the "PSS5" and who wouldn't think the "SS" meant Super Sport like the predecessor to the PS4S - the Pilot Super Sport or PSS? When in fact it means Pilot Sport Super 5. Sigh...

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Out of all that, the M2C is the only BMW that received a complete engine and cooling system change (in addition to brake calipers and rotors, seats, etc) when it acquired the "Competition" moniker... .

So the change was not because the OG was not an "M" car but because it didn't have the "Competition" moniker?