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      02-22-2020, 10:35 AM   #67
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No worries, should I ever decide to trade my M2 values will suddenly plummet "seesaw"
Thats what ya get for having a moonroof on an M-car! hahah
Do having a moonroof really depreciate that much on M cars? Hey, I love a little open space in my cabin haha. Guess I should push for an even larger discount if I'm interested in one with moonroof.
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In 40 years the ones with moonroof could even be more desirable from a collector point of view since there aren't many out there. Enthusiasts usually look down on them because of less headroom for a helmet and more weight in the roof.
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Moonroofs weren't available for MY '16 and '17. I'd actually prefer one on my '17.
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In 40 years the ones with moonroof could even be more desirable from a collector point of view since there aren't many out there. Enthusiasts usually look down on them because of less headroom for a helmet and more weight in the roof.
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Moonroofs weren't available for MY '16 and '17. I'd actually prefer one on my '17.
Thanks guys! Glad there are still people who are a fan of moonroofs here 😄

I don't plan on tracking mine, and it actually may be promoted to a family car in the future, so prefer the airiness of a moonroof
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      02-23-2020, 11:26 AM   #71
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Also the lease deals were terrible so the lease bros didn't lease the car and then all returning them at the same time. Instead the m2 had buyers who actually wanted the car and supply was somewhat limited so if you bought one, you actually really wanted it.
I loved the arguments I got into with people in 2016 about how the M2 would not be worth $30K in 3 years. Of note, if you leased one, the residual was close to $25K (and you were not a very smart person - even if you owned a business or had other silly excuses for leasing).

Short story, the car has held its value - even better than I thought it would (and I think someone from Toronto owes me a dinner).

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Do having a moonroof really depreciate that much on M cars? Hey, I love a little open space in my cabin haha. Guess I should push for an even larger discount if I'm interested in one with moonroof.
As noted, it probably increases the value. They are rare and those who want them, want them. I know I did in 2017 but the product planner for the BMW M2 in NA felt "that was not in the spirit of the car" - even though other markets (including Canada eh), got them. I LOVE when product planners tell us what we want.
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I loved the arguments I got into with people in 2016 about how the M2 would not be worth $30K in 3 years. Of note, if you leased one, the residual was close to $25K (and you were not a very smart person - even if you owned a business or had other silly excuses for leasing).

Short story, the car has held its value - even better than I thought it would (and I think someone from Toronto owes me a dinner).



As noted, it probably increases the value. They are rare and those who want them, want them. I know I did in 2017 but the product planner for the BMW M2 in NA felt "that was not in the spirit of the car" - even though other markets (including Canada eh), got them. I LOVE when product planners tell us what we want.
For what it’s worth, I totally agree it’s not in the spirit of the car
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For what it’s worth, I totally agree it’s not in the spirit of the car
Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

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Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

I personally hate moon/sunroofs on any performance oriented car. I feel like it adds weight and I hate the way they look. You couldnt pay me to have a sunroof on an M3/M4 when there is a carbon roof availible!
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Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

I personally hate moon/sunroofs on any performance oriented car. I feel like it adds weight and I hate the way they look. You couldnt pay me to have a sunroof on an M3/M4 when there is a carbon roof availible!
But how many people who buy "performance" cars actually use it for performance?

That is why I value the choice of amenities. Then, both parties are happy. I've been debating whether to order my with a moonroof and I think I have decided, yes. Would only be using my car on spirited drives and grocery getting. Want some light and fresh air from the top when doing both!
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      02-23-2020, 02:52 PM   #76
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Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

I personally hate moon/sunroofs on any performance oriented car. I feel like it adds weight and I hate the way they look. You couldnt pay me to have a sunroof on an M3/M4 when there is a carbon roof availible!
The weight thing is bunk for almost all of us - unless you are turning the car into a track car or are a professional driver taking your car to the track, nobody here runs "faster" cause they skipped the moonroof.

And the look argument is weak as well on a dark car (no arguments on a white car).

More headroom for a helmet? That is a valid argument.

But in case you are curious, about half the days of the year are cloudy here in Chicago, and man, getting some sunlight in the car certainly is refreshing.
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I would never use the sunroof so an easy skip for me.
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Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

I am curious what the appeal of the M2 is for you over the M4?
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Lucky for you, you have a choice.
Lucky for the rest of us, you are not the product planner for the M2...

I am curious what the appeal of the M2 is for you over the M4?
I'm a bit confused by the context of the question ?

But heck, I'll answer
The ride of the OG M2 broke me. Loved that car and would still possibly have it if it had been dialed in better. The adjustable suspension in my M3 makes a world of difference. Having seating for 5 also helped.
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I'm a bit confused by the context of the question ?

But heck, I'll answer
The ride of the OG M2 broke me. Loved that car and would still possibly have it if it had been dialed in better. The adjustable suspension in my M3 makes a world of difference. Having seating for 5 also helped.
It sounds like a lightweight, stripped down sports car doesnt necessarily appeal to you. So I’m curious why you got an M2 instead of an M4.
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I see where you're going with this and I think the same could be asked for me.

First, the M2 and M2C are not stripped out or lightweight. In fact, the M2C is the same weight as the M4.

Second, at least for me, the appeal of the M2C is it's shorter wheelbase. This is where the fun characteristics really play out between the M2 and M4.

Therefore, sure the M4 is more luxurious, but doesn't mean it's night and day between the M2. In fact, I would want something that is more agile and yet still contain modern comfort amenities.

Another example would be the various 911s you can purchase. A base Carerra or Carerra S are great handling sports cars. But owners often load them up with comfort options and there is nothing wrong with that...you don't really ask them why not just buy a Panamera, instead. Also I've seen Porsche GT cars speced with all leather interiors that are more luxurious than M cars.
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It sounds like a lightweight, stripped down sports car doesnt necessarily appeal to you. So I’m curious why you got an M2 instead of an M4.
I have no clue how or where you read into that. Cause I wanted a sunroof? How much weight do you really think that adds? Trust me, it is not even on par with the Exec Package and all the other niceties the M2 has. I'm not even aware of a car that is made today that is "light weight" or "stripped down".

Plus, check my signature silly.
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I see where you're going with this and I think the same could be asked for me.

First, the M2 and M2C are not stripped out or lightweight. In fact, the M2C is the same weight as the M4.

Second, at least for me, the appeal of the M2C is it's shorter wheelbase. This is where the fun characteristics really play out between the M2 and M4.

Therefore, sure the M4 is more luxurious, but doesn't mean it's night and day between the M2. In fact, I would want something that is more agile and yet still contain modern comfort amenities.

Another example would be the various 911s you can purchase. A base Carerra or Carerra S are great handling sports cars. But owners often load them up with comfort options and there is nothing wrong with that...you don't really ask them why not just buy a Panamera, instead. Also I've seen Porsche GT cars speced with all leather interiors that are more luxurious than M cars.
Id say a better porsche comparison would be a Cayman S vs a Carrera S

But by and large Cayman/Boxster are bought by people who can’t afford 911s.

And yeah...the M2C is another animal altogether
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I have no clue how or where you read into that. Cause I wanted a sunroof? How much weight do you really think that adds? Trust me, it is not even on par with the Exec Package and all the other niceties the M2 has. I'm not even aware of a car that is made today that is "light weight" or "stripped down".

Plus, check my signature silly.
Can’t see the sig on mobile.

Regarding your other point, everything’s relative. “Stripped down” simply means limited features and options.
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Can’t see the sig on mobile.

Regarding your other point, everything’s relative. “Stripped down” simply means limited features and options.
Get me heated seats & steering wheel, along with iDrive and I'm happy. Throw in a sunroof and I'm ecstatic.

PS - I have a 1M in addition to my M3 and neither has a sunroof.
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I see where you're going with this and I think the same could be asked for me.

First, the M2 and M2C are not stripped out or lightweight. In fact, the M2C is the same weight as the M4.

Second, at least for me, the appeal of the M2C is it's shorter wheelbase. This is where the fun characteristics really play out between the M2 and M4.

Therefore, sure the M4 is more luxurious, but doesn't mean it's night and day between the M2. In fact, I would want something that is more agile and yet still contain modern comfort amenities.

Another example would be the various 911s you can purchase. A base Carerra or Carerra S are great handling sports cars. But owners often load them up with comfort options and there is nothing wrong with that...you don't really ask them why not just buy a Panamera, instead. Also I've seen Porsche GT cars speced with all leather interiors that are more luxurious than M cars.
Id say a better porsche comparison would be a Cayman S vs a Carrera S

But by and large Cayman/Boxster are bought by people who can't afford 911s.

And yeah...the M2C is another animal altogether
Makes sense. But isn't the belief that people who buy Caymans/Boxsters are people who can't buy 911s, by and large an old wives tale?

I feel like they're completely different cars and for different purposes. Mid-engine vs. rear-engine have completely different driving characteristics. However, I will give you this, I did consider picking up a 718 GT4 because I can't afford a GT3. But now things change because I need something more "practical" for that cost 😞
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But by and large Cayman/Boxster are bought by people who can’t afford 911s.
I don't want us to go too far off topic, but I'll suggest that a Cayman/Boxster is a better handling and better driving car than a 911. So, it's not a matter of can't afford a $110K car so I'll buy an $85K car instead, it's about preference.

Me, personally, I've had several Porsches, and the last two were a 991.1 (911) that was in for service for a week, and I got a 981 (Boxster) as a loaner. It was such a better car - better transmission (both were manuals) and better handling, that later I sold the 911 and bought a Boxster with no regrets.
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I was shocked at how well the M2 holds it's value compared to others in the line. I had a 16 435xi GC that stickered for $10K more that the M2 new but when I traded it in I had to put $10K with it to get the M2 (paid $38,500 for the M2 with 32K miles, exec, CPO). I only had the 435 GC for 5 months and HATED the wallow, weight, and totally numb steering feel. I figured with my 4 series depreciating faster than the M I should bite the bullet and trade sooner than later. I got lucky finding the right color and equipment (AW 6MT) relatively close by at a fair price.
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