[OSee]

Originally Posted by akkando

If it takes the place of the base M2 we might as well drive our pre CS M2s into a river, because that's about how much they're going to be worth.

Not sure whether to laugh or cry

[bgexpress]

I've been calling and emailing dealers today seeing if I can possibly get an M2 CS allocation reserved. Many dealers seem to believe that the M2 CS will be VERY limited, one said that on a conference call today they were told there may only be 300 that enter the US. I'm hoping they are misinformed and that the limited model they are referring to is the M2 CSL or very few of these will ever see the track.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

Not sure whether to laugh or cry

TBH I'm okay with this...mean my summer 19 M2 ed order can be regular one at reasonable price!

[petay135]

Drive your N55 M2 in to the river, good god please man up with your first world panic attacks.

The M2 has been an overwhelming sales success for BMW, exceeding Leipzig capacity and surprising the bean counters at head office - in a good way.
There are going to be loads in the BMW auc systems for several years and BMW will want to manage residuals in a positive way to encourage repeat orders and upgraders

The N55 is a sweet unit and sounds good, it suits the stock M2 perfectly.

The S55 is a poor sounding unit which packs great punch and will be carefully ecu tuned by BMW to shoehorn it in to the correct segment. This is why BMW don't like power mods, they want to control the $ per hp ratio as it is lucrative.

When the F80/82 Comp Packs were introduced in the UK for a modest 3k premium the wailing and gnashing of teeth from early non comp adopters was deafening but both iterations have found their base buyer and residual values are rubbing along fine in relation to each other.

I cannot forsee a mass capitulation of M2 residuals, it's a great car and will remain so, the N55 is too dirty for 2019 so they have to do something so don't come whingeing when the horrid discordant S55 sits in the wonderful M2 artificially strangled to meet a target bhp set by the BMW accountants.

I sometimes wonder whether all these posters who claim they will be crawling to the dealer throwing money at them when the S55 is fitted have actually spent time with this engine and the peculiar aural soundtrack it offers or are they just seduced by another - expensive - 40 bhp?

I was out in my new M2 LCI tonight still breaking in and it really does hit the performance sweet spot in that you can rev it out quite freely in medium straights. In contrast earlier today my PPF guy gave me a lift back to the station in his tuned RS6 with Capristo pipes, what a noise but with 650 -700bhp and the girth of a small cruise liner you just can't really use it in the UK, no sooner are you on the power WOT then you are immediately backing off again, surely 350bhp ish is about right for actual use?

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

M = Street car
CS = Street car that can track
CSL = Track car that can street

Doesn't get any simpler than that....

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by lax01

They need to drop like 300-400 lbs out of the car...remove the backseat, remove all un-necessary and heavy sound-deadening. Lighter wheels...lighter brakes. Carbon roof though probably un-necessary. Light rear glass (though probably not DOT approved). Lighter fixed back bucket seats. Radio/AC optional for real stripper-mode like Porsche does

These are the options don't scream track car...they scream compromised street car:
* Optional Park Distance Control front and rear (option code 508)
* Cruise control with brake function
* Adaptive LED Headlights (though if LEDs are lighter than HIDs, then okay)
* Wifi Hotspot
* Wireless Charging
* Backup Camera
* Heated Steering Wheel

Hell, not in the 2017 PE had some of these features...its still a heavy car

The NHTSA will require all new cars in 2018 and on to have a backup camera as standard, so that option isn't going anywhere.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

A very interesting note - a guy on 2ertalk says that his insider source indicates the M2 Competition/CS to replace regular M2 LCI after June 2018.

He also says that M2 Competition gets bigger brakes (MSportbremse) and better seats (MSportsize) apart from the S55 with 9-10k EUR premium over the current model. Not much more.
The rest of the equipment stays more or less the same, as VIN decoders shown us + the new colours.

He's been very credible from my observations of that forum and was very much in line with what SCOTT26 and ynguldyn said in recent months.
Assuming BMW would make such a move to replace M2 LCI with M2 Competition - what would it do to the value of current M2s?

I agree,just read those latest posts on 2ertalk.Its looking more and more like the original info is true and the M2 CS replaces the regular M2 when it is released.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I agree,just read those latest posts on 2ertalk.Its looking more and more like the original info is true and the M2 CS replaces the regular M2 when it is released.

Just don’t buy it. There’s a tiny segment of the population that’s picking a M2 over a M4 if they have comparable base prices. Enthusiasts and track minded folks. They’d be blowing up the whole value add of the M2. 2,000 units a month at risk.

Unless you’re telling me that they are going to price a M2 CS with the S55 engine at under $65k? No way. Over $65k? Now I’m cross shopping a M4.

Having the LCI end after the 2019 model and the M2 CS available as 2019 and 2020 models makes a lot more sense in my mind.

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

Just don’t buy it. There’s a tiny segment of the population that’s picking a M2 over a M4 if they have comparable base prices. Enthusiasts and track minded folks. They’d be blowing up the whole value add of the M2. 2,000 units a month at risk.

Unless you’re telling me that they are going to price a M2 CS with the S55 engine at under $65k? No way. Over $65k? Now I’m cross shopping a M4.

Having the LCI end at 2019 and the M2 CS as 2019 and 2020 models makes a lot more sense in my mind.

What's the price in the US when the German price is 70k EUR?

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

What's the price in the US when the German price is 70k EUR?

$83,000 as it stands right now

Which makes a lot more sense to me for a car like this.

Is BMW going to move 2,000 of those a month? Of course not. So why would they ever replace the regular M2.

The only alternative I see to ending the N55 after 2019 and going CS in 2019/2020 is a B58 in 2020. Which makes no sense.

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

$83,000 as it stands right now

No way. The base price in DE is 60k EUR which translates to what, 55k USD in US for the same base car?
If the M2 Competition costs 70k EUR in DE then in the US its what, 63-65k USD?

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

No way. The base price in DE is 60k EUR which translates to what, 55k USD in US for the same base car?
If the M2 Competition costs 70k EUR in DE then in the US its what, 63-65k USD?

No way?

You asked me to translate value directly. That’s what I did.

I don’t have my BMW bean counter calculator on me. I’m sure someone else knows how that works.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

Just don’t buy it. There’s a tiny segment of the population that’s picking a M2 over a M4 if they have comparable base prices. Enthusiasts and track minded folks. They’d be blowing up the whole value add of the M2. 2,000 units a month at risk.

Unless you’re telling me that they are going to price a M2 CS with the S55 engine at under $65k? No way. Over $65k? Now I’m cross shopping a M4.

Having the LCI end after the 2019 model and the M2 CS available as 2019 and 2020 models makes a lot more sense in my mind.

No one knows what price the M2 CS is going to be.Everyone is just speculating what the price might be.

I am going by what the original source confirmed a year ago.That there will be an M2 CS and that it will replace the current M2.I beleive the info to be true,especially after the specs have now been confirmed,with this VIN info.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

No one knows what price the M2 CS is going to be.Everyone is just speculating what the price might be.

I am going by what the original source confirmed a year ago.That there will be an M2 CS and that it will replace the current M2.I beleive the info to be true,especially after the specs have now been confirmed,with this VIN info.

No one knows if it’s going to replace the original M2. Everyone is just speculating.

I am going to go with common sense and say that it will be priced appropriately.

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

No way?

You asked me to translate value directly. That’s what I did.

I don’t have my BMW bean counter calculator on me

The relation of prices should at least give us more or less some indication. Base price will jump by 9-10k EUR here so the US one should rise in similar manner.
Then options (another 5-10k - more options this time) and markups (who knows).

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

The relation of prices should at least give us more or less some indication. Base price will jump by 9-10k EUR here so the US one should rise in similar manner.
Then options (another 5-10k - more options this time) and markups (who knows).

Using the numbers you gave me that places the CS comparatively at $63,000 USD base.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I am going by what the original source confirmed a year ago.That there will be an M2 CS and that it will replace the current M2.I beleive the info to be true,especially after the specs have now been confirmed,with this VIN info.

As the noise around the 405hp number continues to grow I think you (and the original sources) might be right. A factory tuned bump in HP that small is not worth a giant premium or being limited. The S55 CS May very well replace the N55 M2.

So N55 owners are going to take a beating at first. Things will even out down the road.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

No way?

You asked me to translate value directly. That’s what I did.

I don’t have my BMW bean counter calculator on me. I’m sure someone else knows how that works.

I use this > http://fxtop.com/en/currency-converter-past.php

There are others that may be better?

[Tag]

I remember early in the year everyone said there wasn't going to be a MY18 M2, and yet here we are. Makes zero sense for them to discontinue the base model. It defeats the purpose of an affordable entry M car.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

As the noise around the 405hp number continues to grow

All those VINs mention exactly the same power figure for the "M2 Competition": 302 kW.

Do the math: that's 410.6hp in Europe (metric) and 405hp in the US (mech).

Close harmony music rather than noise, ain't it ?

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by petay135

The M2 has been an overwhelming sales success for BMW, exceeding Leipzig capacity and surprising the bean counters at head office - in a good way.

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. The m2 is NO impact on the BMW bottom line. The sales are literally irrelevant when matched up to the x1 or many others in the lineup.

The car is more of a halo car, but hardly like the i8. Don't think revenues will decide any decisions around the car.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Thanks.

So four new USA-spec VIN entries:

• WBS2U7C51KVB08884 = M-DCT (SO+orange) (scheduled)
• WBS2U7C53KVB08885 = M-DCT (HS) (scheduled)
• WBS2U7C55KVB08886 = M-DCT (LBB) (scheduled)
• WBS2U7C57KVB08887 = 6MT (BSM+orange) (scheduled)

Attempt to understand interior trim choice on the basis of those VINs:

• standard: Int.t.f.bl.hi.gloss W.high T.fin.ch (code 4LU)
• optional: Interior Trim Finishers Carbon Fibre (code 4MC)
• optional in addition to either 4LU or 4MC: Ind.high-gloss Sa.ch.l.w.ext.con (code 7M9)

Attempt to understand the wheels choice on the basis of those VINs:

• standard: 19" 437M wheels (code 2VZ: 19"lt/aly Wheels Do.sp. 437 M/mt Bl 19"m Lm Raed.doppelspei. 437 M/mb S)
• optional: 19" Y-spoke 788M forged leightweight wheels (code 2QT 19"m Law.ý-sp.788 M For. Mt. 19"m Lmr Y-sp.788 M Ge. Mb) (LMR = Leichtmetallräder = leight(weight) metal wheels | Ge. = geschmiedet = For. = forged | Mt. and Mb = maybe Matte Black ?)

Upholstery: Black Dakota Leather (we now also got the codes of all four combinations):

• LCNL = plain leather + blue contrast stitching (Leder Dakota/schwarz Kontr.blau)
• LCNZ = plain leather + orange contrast stitching (Leder Dakota/schw./kontr.orange)
• MDB2 = perforated leather + blue contrast stitching (Led.dak.des.perf.schwarz/blau)
• MDOE = perforated leather + orange contrast stitching (Led.dak.des.perf.schwarz/orange)

Updated post #4 and, hence, also post #1 of this thread.

Does anybody know what "+ orange" means? is it a bicolor external color scheme? Or just the stitching?