[Toad]

From what I can find, 6300 1M Coupé's were produced, but only 2200 M2 CS's.

In many ways the M2 CS should be the most valuable of the two, it's more rare than the 1M Coupé, it's faster, more capable, more comfortable, and it's the best iteration of the M2.

But...

In total, from what I can find, about 60,000 F87's were made (M2, M2C and M2CS). So although the front bumper, hood, mirrors, brakes, wheels, roof, and rear spoiler differentiate between the M2 iterations, the main body-lines/design is shared amongst the 60,000 vehicles.

There is only 6300 cars with the body of the E82 1M..

At the end of the day though, the value of of these two is decided by supply/demand.
In 10 or 20 years, which car will get the higher bid in an auction? I would say, without a doubt, the 1M. Because of it's rarity, its interesting history as a skunkworks project, and the fact that it's a small/fun M-car (pretty much the same size as the E30 M3).

Yeah, it has a bit of a funny face, but I think the car is just cool nonetheless.

Really don't know why people ITT are hating on the wheels, they look great IMO, iconic and unique for a BMW M. But then again, I also love the 788M's

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by NSXR

2/3/4 shouldn't matter if it's an ///M.

This is a build list for an M4C. Have a look at the options. And this isn't all of them, or individual color.

The M2/C/CS never got the full ///M treatment.

Yeah, I don't want a luxury car. This list highlights what I see as a problem with the M division at present.

Outside of the M2 and perhaps the Z4 M40i (not a full M of course), they don't even make a sports car anymore. They make GTs and fast waft-mobiles. I get that they can do a bit more than that, of course, but the size and weight of most modern M cars comes directly from the push upmarket and the requisite toys, leathers, and perfume dispensers--which has nothing to do with motorsport.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Brandt51

I’ve only seen a handful of M2s in the wild. 5 OGs and four of them were gray. That is such a good looking ride and I’m kind of glad it’s an OG only color. I would of had a hard time between that and LBB when I was choosing.

I prefer M cars to have a flashier color. Here in Germany, nearly every car on the road is black, silver, or grey. Dire, TBH.

My LBB stands out so much that my entire office was talking about the color during the first few weeks I drove it in to work. And it still draws small groups of onlookers at lunch.

[m2ss]

I miss my 1M dearly...

[Brandt51]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I prefer M cars to have a flashier color. Here in Germany, nearly every car on the road is black, silver, or grey. Dire, TBH.

My LBB stands out so much that my entire office was talking about the color during the first few weeks I drove it in to work. And it still draws small groups of onlookers at lunch.

Mine is LBB also. My favorite bimmer color. The minivan Ms are also blue. The tanzanite is subtle yet gorgeous. I would rock a bad ass M car in something boring af like Platnium Bronze Metalic (beige) though. Cause it’s funny.

Originally Posted by m2ss

I miss my 1M dearly...

It looks like its fresh off the screen from Cars
Wow.

[Jack White]

Regardless of what anyone says, all these cars are special and a joy to drive. I think we all preferred our respective cars to the others.

[Maynard]

Originally Posted by Jack White

Attachment 3686756Regardless what anyone says, all these cars are special and a joy to drive. I think we all preferred our respective cars to the others.

Great shot; really highlights how much bigger the new M's are.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Maynard

..really highlights how much bigger the new M's are.

Agreed. I felt the F87 was big coming from an E82, I'm not sure the G87 would fit in my garage!

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by Jack White

Attachment 3686756Regardless what anyone says, all these cars are special and a joy to drive. I think we all preferred our respective cars to the others.

The proportions of the F87 are just perfect!

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Jack White

Attachment 3686756Regardless what anyone says, all these cars are special and a joy to drive. I think we all preferred our respective cars to the others.

Someone's gained a lot of weight...

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by Toad

In many ways the M2 CS should be the most valuable of the two, it's more rare than the 1M Coupé, it's faster, more capable, more comfortable, and it's the best iteration of the M2.

And it has an S code engine.

Originally Posted by Toad

At the end of the day though, the value of of these two is decided by supply/demand.

Agree, but overall the F87 was in much higher demand than the E82, primarily because it was just bigger.

Originally Posted by Toad

In 10 or 20 years, which car will get the higher bid in an auction? I would say, without a doubt, the 1M.

I feel just the opposite. Because the the F87 M2CS is more beautiful, more capable, rarer, and carries an S code engine I feel like there is no question it'll be more desirable and bring more money than the 1M in the future. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out!

Originally Posted by Toad

Really don't know why people ITT are hating on the wheels, they look great IMO, iconic and unique for a BMW M. But then again, I also love the 788M's

It's because there is a fine line between iconic and rehashed. It was an iconic wheel on an E46 5 years previous, but feels rehashed on the much newer 1M. I think it looks great, but feel like BMW could have done much better.

Historically, wheels are a big deal for BMW, but they have dropped this ball several times as of late. The 788M, for example, is a beautiful wheel, and looks great on the F87, but being heavier and with a more "street-car" design it had no place on a "competition" model. So many times it's a case of, that looks good, but doesn't quite fit because BMW just got lazy.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by NSXR

I feel just the opposite. Because the the F87 M2CS is more beautiful, more capable, rarer, and carries an S code engine I feel like there is no question it'll be more desirable and bring more money than the 1M in the future. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out!



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It is your opinion, which is fine, but I just don't get the infatuation with the CS. I like the slight performance tweaks, the seats, and the alcantara inside, but I really do not like a lot of the cosmetic changes. The gold wheels, hood, and spoilers just move the car into near-fast and furious territory. A bit garish. It looks best in black on black, simply because most of the tat blends into itself.

The 1M, on the other hand, looked great from every angle. Wide-bodied, chunky, and with a great set of BBS-style wheels and classy silver pipes that gave it a refined, but very purposeful look. The M2 Comp is almost as good, but I feel the 1M is the most special looking.

[ESB]

Originally Posted by jayee88

Nice to see these guys holding values, what do you think about their take that the M2C is a better car than the 1M in basically every way and the only reason the 1M is holding value is that it's rare? Never drove a 1M but I'd assume the biggest pro over the M2/M2C would be hydraulic steering.

Not sure if it has already been mentioned in another reply here but the 1M's rarity status is exceeded by the M2CS which is even MORE rare.

• 6300 1Ms globally
• 983 in US

Compared to…

• 2200 M2CS globally
• 500 in US.

I feel like this is never mentioned.

I understand that in some ways the M2CS may get clumped into the larger production numbers of all M versions of the 2 series in the F87 generation whereas the 1M was the only M variant for the 1 series.

Nevertheless, the M2CS is significantly more rare than the 1M. Food for thought, and I wish this was mentioned more when people say the 1M's desireability is largely due to its rarity.

[baege]

the 1M may be more rare, but there is something "just right" about the F87 M2's looks. I think that will play out in the long term values.

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by Neusser

It is your opinion, which is fine, but I just don't get the infatuation with the CS. I like the slight performance tweaks, the seats, and the alcantara inside, but I really do not like a lot of the cosmetic changes.

As I said, I feel like the big sellers are the beauty, rarity, performance, and the S code, but the bespoke hood/interior treatment/suspension/exhaust, Misano blue, and carbon roof really set it apart from the Competition, and the 1M.

I think it's ultimately anyone's guess as to which is going to be more popular in the long run.

[changster]

I own both a 1M and M2C manual. The M2C is better in every way like Doug said just like how the newest Porsche GT3 RS is always better than the last. That doesn't make it a better car though. It just depends on what floats your boat.

I hate value discussions so I'm talking strictly from the perspective of performance, feel, and what a "driver's car" is...

For me it's the 1M all day all night. For me, weight is absolutely, positively, definitively the most valuable attribute in any performance/sports car as long as there is enough power. Weight is not the only factor obviously, but I put an extraordinarily amount of weight to how heavy a car is.

My 1M is 1420kg full weight and the M2C is almost 1600kg full weight. On the touge/track/mountains it's night and day for me.

M2C's powertrain is brilliant. Absolutely destroys the 1M powertrain.

But it doesn't overcome the perfect size of the 1M for me. Keyword - for me.

Steering feel is another. I put a lot of weight to this attribute as well. 1M all day.

That being said, the M2C is a brilliant car. What a sports coupe!! It's better than a 1M as a sports coupe that you drive to work, commute on highways, drive from LA to SF, etc. It's not a sports car unmodified. The 1M is also a sports coupe but not as well rounded as the M2C as a sports coupe.

Modified would be a separate discussion.

[baege]

[QUOTE=changster;31932773] Weight is not the only factor obviously, but I put an extraordinarily amount of weight to how heavy a car is.

pun intended?

nice comparo

as you point out its ultimately subjective

and as always the right answer is both which you are in the enviable position of experiencing

[ESB]

Originally Posted by changster

I own both a 1M and M2C manual. The M2C is better in every way like Doug said just like how the newest Porsche GT3 RS is always better than the last. That doesn't make it a better car though. It just depends on what floats your boat.

I hate value discussions so I'm talking strictly from the perspective of performance, feel, and what a "driver's car" is...

For me it's the 1M all day all night. For me, weight is absolutely, positively, definitively the most valuable attribute in any performance/sports car as long as there is enough power. Weight is not the only factor obviously, but I put an extraordinarily amount of weight to how heavy a car is.

My 1M is 1420kg full weight and the M2C is almost 1600kg full weight. On the touge/track/mountains it's night and day for me.

M2C's powertrain is brilliant. Absolutely destroys the 1M powertrain.

But it doesn't overcome the perfect size of the 1M for me. Keyword - for me.

Steering feel is another. I put a lot of weight to this attribute as well. 1M all day.

That being said, the M2C is a brilliant car. What a sports coupe!! It's better than a 1M as a sports coupe that you drive to work, commute on highways, drive from LA to SF, etc. It's not a sports car unmodified. The 1M is also a sports coupe but not as well rounded as the M2C as a sports coupe.

Modified would be a separate discussion.

Fair enough and not surprised. It’s basically the same discussion as F87 vs G87.

[gnx]

Originally Posted by changster

I own both a 1M and M2C manual. The M2C is better in every way like Doug said just like how the newest Porsche GT3 RS is always better than the last. That doesn't make it a better car though. It just depends on what floats your boat.

I hate value discussions so I'm talking strictly from the perspective of performance, feel, and what a "driver's car" is...

For me it's the 1M all day all night. For me, weight is absolutely, positively, definitively the most valuable attribute in any performance/sports car as long as there is enough power. Weight is not the only factor obviously, but I put an extraordinarily amount of weight to how heavy a car is.

My 1M is 1420kg full weight and the M2C is almost 1600kg full weight. On the touge/track/mountains it's night and day for me.

M2C's powertrain is brilliant. Absolutely destroys the 1M powertrain.

But it doesn't overcome the perfect size of the 1M for me. Keyword - for me.

Steering feel is another. I put a lot of weight to this attribute as well. 1M all day.

That being said, the M2C is a brilliant car. What a sports coupe!! It's better than a 1M as a sports coupe that you drive to work, commute on highways, drive from LA to SF, etc. It's not a sports car unmodified. The 1M is also a sports coupe but not as well rounded as the M2C as a sports coupe.

Modified would be a separate discussion.

How come your 1M is 1420 kilos? Auto motor und sport weighed their test car at 1514 kilos back in april 2011.

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by gnx

How come your 1M is 1420 kilos? Auto motor und sport weighed their test car at 1514 kilos back in april 2011.

Between the OG and 1M there is only 154 lbs, or 70 kilos. As a percentage that is 4.5%, which can't be felt by most.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by gnx

How come your 1M is 1420 kilos? Auto motor und sport weighed their test car at 1514 kilos back in april 2011.

Yes, and the official weight was 1570.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...hnische-daten/

I still love the car, but yeah, the weight he mentioned cannot be accurate.

Also puts the "heavy" weight of the M2C into perspective--meaning it ain't so heavy after all.

[Jack White]

Originally Posted by NSXR

Between the OG and 1M there is only 154 lbs, or 70 kilos. As a percentage that is 4.5%, which can't be felt.

I respectfully disagree. I often run errands in my m2c, and one of those errands is to replace (4) 5 gallon water bottles. I can absolutely feel the weight. Granted, the comparison would be much different with better distribution, but 150 lbs can be felt, even by a largely unskilled and inarticulate driver such as myself.