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      02-27-2020, 07:49 AM   #45
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by flashing it to the ACN map if fuel is shit or flashing the 93 map if your fuel quality is superior. i use both maps alot depending on which area i am in. You have zero flexibility on a carbahn tune
So basically you have to log and review your logs with BM3 to be sure you're safe and reflash accordingly? Why isn't that needed with a stock tune or for that matter a Carbahn tune? What would happen if you kept your 93 map in and ran shit gas? Just trying to understand.
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i completely disagree with you the mere fact that i can log my car and monitor it and adapt my map to fuel conditions completely out weighs any warranty that dinan or carbahn offers, lets not kid ourselves there are plenty cases where people with dinan parts and tunes have had their warranties removed and have had to turn to lawyers for help. Anything you add to your car should be with a own risk mentality, warranties are just marketing schemes to charge more money.
Well that's your perspective, and I respect that. But that doesn't mean everyone feels the same way. I have worked with Dinan on a warranty claim in the past and they made the whole process very seamless.
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So basically you have to log and review your logs with BM3 to be sure you're safe and reflash accordingly? Why isn't that needed with a stock tune or for that matter a Carbahn tune? What would happen if you kept your 93 map in and ran shit gas? Just trying to understand.
Because CarBahn and Dinan do their own testing on stock cars before they release the tunes.

You could say that BM3 is better for those who like to get into the technical aspects of tuning and be able to monitor all the parameters, etc. But does every customer want to do that? No

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So basically you have to log and review your logs with BM3 to be sure you're safe and reflash accordingly?
logging OTS maps are not needed.

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Why isn't that needed with a stock tune or for that matter a Carbahn tune?
Keep in mind, you can run higher octane on a lower map without any issues.
Think of the stock car as a very conservative map for 91 octane.
As long as you are running 91+ on that map, you do not have to do any datalogging or testing

Bootmod3 lets you take advantage of the higher octane to make more power, if you have access to 93 octane you can run the 93 map.
If you decide to go back to 91 octane, you need to change to 91 map.

If you do not like to keep switching maps, select the 91 map. It works on both octanes (that's what you pretty much do with stock map)


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What would happen if you kept your 93 map in and ran shit gas? Just trying to understand.

Same thing that would happen if you run the stock map (which BMW recommend a minimum of 91 octane) on an 87 octane fuel.
Car will run poorly and you risk damaging components

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Because CarBahn and Dinan do their own testing on stock cars before they release the tunes.

You could say that BM3 is better for those who like to get into the technical aspects of tuning and be able to monitor all the parameters, etc. But does every customer want to do that? No
More false statements without any proof. No point in keeping the discussion going, it won't lead anywhere. So that's going to be my last response to you on here.

I know you are a Carbahn fan but I do recommend you do more reading about tuning before making these kinds of posts.

To suggest Bootmod3 releases tunes without testing on stock cars is ridiculous, but then again it wont be your first ridiculous post on this thread.

Bootmod3 does not need technical experts to run the tune, install process takes less than a minute. You can run OTS maps without making any changes or datalogs.
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logging OTS maps are not needed.



Keep in mind, you can run higher octane on a lower map without any issues.
Think of the stock car as a very conservative map for 91 octane.
As long as you are running 91+ on that map, you do not have to do any datalogging or testing

Bootmod3 lets you take advantage of the higher octane to make more power, if you have access to 93 octane you can run the 93 map.
If you decide to go back to 91 octane, you need to change to 91 map.

If you do not like to keep switching maps, select the 91 map. It works on both octanes (that's what you pretty much do with stock map)





Same thing that would happen if you run the stock map (which BMW recommend a minimum of 91 octane) on an 87 octane fuel.
Car will run poorly and you risk damaging components



More false statements without any proof. No point in keeping the discussion going, it won't lead anywhere. So that's going to be my last response to you on here.

I know you are a Carbahn fan but I do recommend you do more reading about tuning before making these kinds of posts.

To suggest Bootmod3 releases tunes without testing on stock cars is ridiculous, but then again it wont be your first ridiculous post on this thread.

Bootmod3 does not need technical experts to run the tune, install process takes less than a minute. You can run OTS maps without making any changes or datalogs.
I'm glad that was your last post, because you are a hopeless case.

It is sad that you have to resort to imposing your opinion and mischaracterizing my statements in order to sell stuff on your store. Says a lot about the kind of business you are running. I never suggested that OTS BM3 tunes are released without any testing. I meant to say that since BM3 lets users change things and load different kinds of maps, testing and datalogging is done to make sure everything is OK. Of course the OTS maps can be used without any logs.

I suggest you post in other threads where you can promote items that you sell on your store without people calling you out on your obvious bias.
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I went from Dinan to BM3 and experienced smoother running, more power, and the ability to log and review data which is great piece of mind.

I haven’t had any issues with the OTS maps and even a couple custom maps, so I haven’t missed the warranty that came from Dinan.

That’s not Carbahn, but it’s the same guy and same mantra as Dinan.
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Interesting that Carbahn makes you pay for the warranty
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Interesting that Carbahn makes you pay for the warranty
You pay for any warranty on any product. It's figured into the selling price.
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You pay for any warranty on any product. It's figured into the selling price.
Most of the time that's how it works but for Carbahn you have to purchase the warranty separately which I thought was interesting.
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Makes you wonder, why bother since that would be the only reason (warranty) one would want a Carbahn tune. I remember looking at their tune and after reading the warranty and terms a couple of times, meh ! Why bother. Limited to their 'allowed' parts and I particularly like the comment from them that we should be up-front and honest with our dealership that we have such a tune installed. That's not happening.

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Most of the time that's how it works but for Carbahn you have to purchase the warranty separately which I thought was interesting.
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Know that this is only peripherally related but can someone explain the “brace cutting” for he DINAN intake system? I am considering it for my M2C and the install instructions don’t mention anything about cutting a brace. Let me know
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Page 12 of their instructions require cutting of the brace:
http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...324be0cb5c.pdf

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Know that this is only peripherally related but can someone explain the “brace cutting” for he DINAN intake system? I am considering it for my M2C and the install instructions don’t mention anything about cutting a brace. Let me know
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Page 12 of their instructions require cutting of the brace:
http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...324be0cb5c.pdf
He has a M2C though.
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Ahh, yes.. I didn't see that.

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He has a M2C though.
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Thanks for the reply. So I guess it’s only required on the M2 but not the M2C. Must not have much impact on the M2 because they are certainly flying around the track!!!
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And you're saying these things that customers can change have zero risk of causing issues?
I'm not sure if the config options for the OTS maps have any risk of damaging your car. You can accidentally set the wrong fuel pump, ignition coils, or tmap sensor. But all that is clearly labeled, and I'm not sure if the car would even start with the wrong selection. The other options in the config have zero chance of causing harm.

I was looking into if a standard user can custom tune their car and I'm not sure they can. I do not see any options in the BM3 interface to adjust parameters and make your own tune. I think maybe you have to register as a tuner to unlock those features, but no, nothing like that is available from the get-go.
You can request to register as a tuner to tune ONLY your car
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by flashing it to the ACN map if fuel is shit or flashing the 93 map if your fuel quality is superior. i use both maps alot depending on which area i am in. You have zero flexibility on a carbahn tune
So basically you have to log and review your logs with BM3 to be sure you're safe and reflash accordingly? Why isn't that needed with a stock tune or for that matter a Carbahn tune? What would happen if you kept your 93 map in and ran shit gas? Just trying to understand.
You would probably get lots of knock events and the car's computers would pull timing to avoid engine damage which will make the tune not feel as smooth, like a power dip when timing is suddenly pulled.

It's unlikely the engine would really be damaged unless you were really hammering the car like at the track, even then the car's computers probably save you.
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logging OTS maps are not needed.



Keep in mind, you can run higher octane on a lower map without any issues.
Think of the stock car as a very conservative map for 91 octane.
As long as you are running 91+ on that map, you do not have to do any datalogging or testing

Bootmod3 lets you take advantage of the higher octane to make more power, if you have access to 93 octane you can run the 93 map.
If you decide to go back to 91 octane, you need to change to 91 map.

If you do not like to keep switching maps, select the 91 map. It works on both octanes (that's what you pretty much do with stock map)





Same thing that would happen if you run the stock map (which BMW recommend a minimum of 91 octane) on an 87 octane fuel.
Car will run poorly and you risk damaging components



More false statements without any proof. No point in keeping the discussion going, it won't lead anywhere. So that's going to be my last response to you on here.

I know you are a Carbahn fan but I do recommend you do more reading about tuning before making these kinds of posts.

To suggest Bootmod3 releases tunes without testing on stock cars is ridiculous, but then again it wont be your first ridiculous post on this thread.

Bootmod3 does not need technical experts to run the tune, install process takes less than a minute. You can run OTS maps without making any changes or datalogs.
I'm glad that was your last post, because you are a hopeless case.

It is sad that you have to resort to imposing your opinion and mischaracterizing my statements in order to sell stuff on your store. Says a lot about the kind of business you are running. I never suggested that OTS BM3 tunes are released without any testing. I meant to say that since BM3 lets users change things and load different kinds of maps, testing and datalogging is done to make sure everything is OK. Of course the OTS maps can be used without any logs.

I suggest you post in other threads where you can promote items that you sell on your store without people calling you out on your obvious bias.
I'm not aware of any public data showing dinan or carbahn is more reliable than bm3. Obviously their warranty implies it's reliable, but you pay for it, and when there are failures, sometimes they don't feel they're responsible.

I'm not seeing a lot of people having car problems with bm3. People with m2 and jb4 were having issues though.
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