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      02-13-2020, 05:14 PM   #1
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M2C vs 2021 Supra

385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
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385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
My friend, you are about to get crucified for this statement.
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The question is, is it actually any faster or is this just the honest power output. It was already putting out basically the same amount of power as the Z4 M40i.
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The question is, is it actually any faster or is this just the honest power output. It was already putting out basically the same amount of power as the Z4 M40i.
This is an excellent point and honestly something I wondered about in regard to future power bumps. However, they're also stating an updated exhaust manifold and some more robust engine internals. So maybe the bump is legit. Which could mean we're in the 400+ territory at the crank stock now
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385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
Well I'm sure you could remove one of the the turbos and all the fancy cooling and efficiency improvements and end up with something similar. Report back when you finish the job.
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Funny how no one cared about the B58 until it was in the Supra... And now it's apparently the end-all-be-all motor. The modern 2J!

S55 is superior in pretty much every fashion. Try again.
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The question is, is it actually any faster or is this just the honest power output. It was already putting out basically the same amount of power as the Z4 M40i.
I was thinking the same thing, these were severely underrated. Does the new number reflect that or is there an actual horsepower gain in comparison to last years model. If it’s the latter, this thing should be pretty quick as it already had pretty impressive numbers.
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Funny how no one cared about the B58 until it was in the Supra... And now it's apparently the end-all-be-all motor. The modern 2J!

S55 is superior in pretty much every fashion. Try again.
Yeah!
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Funny how no one cared about the B58 until it was in the Supra... And now it's apparently the end-all-be-all motor. The modern 2J!

S55 is superior in pretty much every fashion. Try again.
I am an M guy, but I have to say, there are some definite advantages to B58. I am not saying B58 is a better engine, but I would not dismiss it because it's not an S version. It's a much newer base design, so of course it incorporates a lot of things that have been learned over the years.

B58 has better torque delivery early in the rev range and is almost certainly a more reliable engine - even tuned - as it can't have a spun crank hub. It also doesn't have the vulnerable front oil cooler and may sound better (although this is subjective).

The B58 is probably the better engine for street use and light track use where the thermal limitations will not be seen.

S58 is a beast and no one will be looking back at S55 once they see what it can do in the upcoming M3/M4.

I would buy a Supra if it came with a manual and a bit more aggressive suspension setup. Actually, the biggest crime is that the Z4 M40i does not drive as well as the Supra. I like the Z4 look slightly better and being able to put the top down is great.

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Well I'm sure you could remove one of the the turbos and all the fancy cooling and efficiency improvements and end up with something similar. Report back when you finish the job.
Not saying S55 is worse than B58, but you do realize that one twin-scroll turbo is just about the same thing as two single turbos?

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One of the biggest advantages to the B58 in my eyes is efficiency. There are reports of people getting high 30's MPG on the highway at Denver altitude. That's pretty amazing for a car as fast as the Supra. I'm sure driving like a grandma is required to make that happen, but truth be told that's usually how I drive haha
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One of the biggest advantages to the B58 in my eyes is efficiency. There are reports of people getting high 30's MPG on the highway at Denver altitude. That's pretty amazing for a car as fast as the Supra. I'm sure driving like a grandma is required to make that happen, but truth be told that's usually how I drive haha
It is a step up in efficiency, no doubt, but I am sure some of that difference is because the Supra is ~200 lbs lighter and looks to have a more aerodynamic roofline and smaller frontal area.
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At least the B58 doesn’t sound like a weed whacker. And S58 will wipe the floor with the S55.
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At least the B58 doesn’t sound like a weed whacker. And S58 will wipe the floor with the S55.
I've heard that the S58 has its own weedwhackerness.
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Perhaps the S58 will have similar issues. But at 50 to 100 hp more. Perhaps AA mid pipes can help.

Apropos, here is what AA says about the S55:

"The Active Autowerke F87 Mid Pipe was specifically designed to eliminate the highly restrictive nature of the S55 – thus creating optimal exhaust flow and drastically improving performance. In addressing the annoying sound ( described by many like that of a weed-eater ) we needed to better understand the issue..."

https://store.activeautowerke.com/pr...ition-mid-pipe
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385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
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385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
2020 Supra already beat M2C by Randy Probst
I saw the video and he fucked up the last 2 corners in the M2. One thing though the supra had better brakes.
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385 hp and about the same in torque. I wonder how it will hang now with that extra bump!

I wish the M2C had the B58...
2020 Supra already beat M2C by Randy Probst
I saw the video and he fucked up the last 2 corners in the M2. One thing though the supra had better brakes.
M2 brakes faded period. it has higher center of gravity, it's heavier and it couldn't do anything with its hp advantage. someone lock this thread, it's over.
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At least the B58 doesn’t sound like a weed whacker. And S58 will wipe the floor with the S55.
S58 is going to sound almost identical to the S55 because of the divided manifolds. Oh, and S55 will mop the floor with the N55.
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S58 is going to sound almost identical to the S55 because of the divided manifolds. Oh, and S55 will mop the floor with the N55.
Keep telling yourself that, I know it's hard having an engine which sounds like a lawn mower so you can say you have 400hp.

But this brings up a good point. There is NO end all be all BMW engine. Which is why I will be back in a glorious American V8 in 2021. S55 can suck it. BMW engines in general either make good power or torque, but they sound like shit and spin crank hubs. OR they make less power but sound half way decent. Pretty sure my next car will be a cammed LT1. Only way to have both for reasonable price. There is having 500hp, and then there is using 500hp. You know, for those of us who can actually drive

Here's some videos for perspective.





With the M2C being a WHOPPING 2s faster.... wow. But the 1Le and the GT350 are 6s and 10s faster. Respect.

Oh, and even a $40k Mustang wipes the floor with your M2C.



So like I said, I know it's hard. But hang in there. It will be ok. Eventually.
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Keep telling yourself that, I know it's hard having an engine which sounds like a lawn mower so you can say you have 400hp.

But this brings up a good point. There is NO end all be all BMW engine. Which is why I will be back in a glorious American V8 in 2021. S55 can suck it. BMW engines in general either make good power or torque, but they sound like shit and spin crank hubs. OR they make less power but sound half way decent. Pretty sure my next car will be a cammed LT1. Only way to have both for reasonable price. There is having 500hp, and then there is using 500hp. You know, for those of us who can actually drive

With the M2C being a WHOPPING 2s faster.... wow. But the 1Le and the GT350 are 6s and 10s faster. Respect.
Ahh, you never fail to disappoint. Bet you're a ton of fun at parties, thinking you're the Stig and all. There is no end-all-be-all motor for anything, it's not limited to the Bavarian's, but enjoy the pushrods. Dunno why you even picked an M2 to begin with, but I for one won't care when you're gone.

PS: Spun crank hubs are wayyyy less than 1% of all S55's ever made. Funny how you PRAISE the voodoo in the GT350, yet never speak of its atrocious oil consumption, which plagues way more than 1% of all of them.

EDIT: I don't think I'm the Stig, I couldn't care less about lap times. You keep running around the Ring tho, thinking you'll hit pro times. Perhaps your shit talking would be better suited for Forza. Not everything is a dick measuring contest man, pipe down.
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Because I did the Coyote thing, no pushrods in Germany, and I wanted to see what the BMW hype is about. Clearly.

It has been an eye opening experience though.

Anyway, once you're able to pay off the car debt and get out of the appt perhaps we can have an adult conversation about cars again. See ya around bud!
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Because I did the Coyote thing, no pushrods in Germany, and I wanted to see what the BMW hype is about. Clearly.

It has been an eye opening experience though.

Anyway, once you're able to pay off the car debt and get out of the appt perhaps we can have an adult conversation about cars again. See ya around bud!


Clearly I struck a nerve, you went all female and snooped. Stay classy, bud.
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