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      02-23-2020, 07:26 AM   #23
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Its no surprise the M2C drops its times in the straights.
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That last one in the list is telling. M2 has slightly more agility and lightness. M2C has a little more brute force.
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That last one in the list is telling. M2 has slightly more agility and lightness. M2C has a little more brute force.
what? the last one is a figure 8, not a track. A miata will be faster than both the cars in a figure 8.


the more telling circuits would be the ones with not many long straight aways, with more challenging twists.

for example:

circuit de nevers magny-cours france


Has one fairly long straight away, with some good tight turns and some nice apexes, where agility needs to come out, and in this one, it is almost a 4 sec differential on a fairly short track


Sachsenring Circuit


again, similar to magny-cours, a fairly short circuit with really good turns where the car's chassis needs to shine, with only one straight away in the middle of circuit... again, here the difference is 2 secs.

Both cars do superb on short tracks, specially where there isn't big/long straight aways, and with those tracks with longer straights (VIR, etc), the power difference starts to show.
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The one obvious variable is different drivers.
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Its a shame BMW did not upgrade the small intercooler thats standard with the regular N55 for the M2 application.

I feel the power dropping lap after lap.
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what? the last one is a figure 8, not a track. A miata will be faster than both the cars in a figure 8.

Both cars do superb on short tracks, specially where there isn't big/long straight aways, and with those tracks with longer straights (VIR, etc), the power difference starts to show.
Yeah, this is my point. Lighter, more nimble cars do better in Figure 8, which is why Mita does so well. M2 is a bit lighter, but only by about 40lbs. But the biggest difference between M2 and M2C is higher sustained torque, and ability go lap after lap without timing pull.
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      02-24-2020, 07:17 PM   #30
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Now that the CS has been out for a while, does anyone have any real world experience on the track. Is the M2C much quicker when driven by mortals ?

I am particularly interested in std M2 v M2C

I track with a guy that has a "quite' modified M2C but he is an experienced driver the car. He is as fast as the GT3RS guy so not a good comparison.

Folk that track and have gone from a OG to a C would prob know best, have your times lowered if so by how much ?

Reason I ask is I am considering upgrading but am wondering if worth it. I dont plan or want to modify the engine.

Video is the modded M2C
If you are a track focus guy, yes get the M2C, the S55 is just magnificent on the track gear after gear, lap after lap...also the M2C S55 is detuned so it offers even more performance consistency than the M3/M4.

If you just drive it on the street I wouldn't because you will take a very substantial financial hit on depreciation. I would then hold out and wait for the G87 M2.
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Why did the opening scene list the M2C weight as 3030lbs...? It's a whole 20% more than that lol.
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If the question is should you upgrade from the M2 to the M2C just for better lap times, I think you could spend far less money and make the M2 on par with the out of the box M2C, even without touching the tune. It all depends what your specific goals are.
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I recently sold my LCI M2 and put in an order for the M2C after driving the C for a few days. More than track times alone, the driving experience and power delivery is completely different. I had only 2 complaints about my M2, which were the underwhelming N55 engine, and the dct transmission. N55 in the M2 has terrible top end and tuning potential. It also heat soaks pretty badly in CA summer, making it feel even slower. DCT while great at the track is not so great at stop and go and low speed driving. Other than that, the M2 was a great car. The detuned S55 in the C feels very linear in power delivery and pulls like a train all the way to 7500 revs. It is night and day from the N55, and that's before doing any mods. Also, the 6mt while not as good of a box as a honda, mazda, or a porsche unit, is miles more fun and engaging than the dct. So if i were you, I would determine what car feels better to drive and start from there instead of shaving seconds here and there at the track.
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Spend the money on driver mod. You can carry those skills to any car you drive.

But, if OP wants to change to a newer car, there isn't any harm in it.
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So has anyone has gone from a M2 to an M2C and reduced thier lap times ?
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I'm surprised no discussion about brakes. The M2C has much larger calipers than M2. I don't track my street car but for me brakes are a HUGE factor on track.
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I'm surprised no discussion about brakes. The M2C has much larger calipers than M2. I don't track my street car but for me brakes are a HUGE factor on track.
Likely because the M2C test car had complaints about the brakes, for whatever reason.
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And because blue brakes with race fluid and track pads are awesome. No issues on track at all when used properly (as in NOT riding brakes till apex). All without the extra weight.
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And because blue brakes with race fluid and track pads are awesome. No issues on track at all when used properly (as in NOT riding brakes till apex). All without the extra weight.
While I love the look of the 2NH brakes, the extra 30 some odd pounds does suck. As does not being able to run 18s...

I still like my big ass grey brakes though.
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While I love the look of the 2NH brakes, the extra 30 some odd pounds does suck. As does not being able to run 18s...

I still like my big ass grey brakes though.
I don’t blame you, they do look cool. And in stock form they will fade in 8 laps va 3 laps, but in terms of longevity, race fluid and track pads are the great equalizer. I’m sure with those upgrades the 2NH kit stops a little bit better, but like you said 30lbs of unsparing, rotating weight is a huge penalty for that little bit of performance.

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Yeah, I’m actually going back to 18s from 19s for the track.

You can get a lot more rubber with a lot more choices and better staggered setups with 18s, and it’s lighter = more speed!

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All things remaining equal (driver and tires), M2C will be materially faster around a lap. It has a lot stronger pull once you're over 100mph, where the OG M2 starts to struggle, relatively. Having said that, a competent and experienced driver will carry more speed through a turn and get on the gas earlier than an average HPDE driver in the M2C and will blow by it.
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Can't really give you a direct comparison since I've never driven the M2C, but to put it into perspective, I consistently get outpaced by E36 and E46 M3's in overall track times by more experienced drivers.

I think speed on the track is more about the driver, and less about the car. It also depends on the track, if you end up on a track with some really long straights in it, that extra HP can be put to good use.
With a cheaper car like the e36/e46 guys run, they tend to push harder and are less afraid to bin it whereas the guy in the new M2C isn’t gonna go 10/10ths.
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