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No I get it, that was a foolish post. Of course, get what you enjoy. I personally love 6MT and when FVM says “as long as the take rate remains we will have 6MT” it selfishly makes me want everyone to order manual so we still have the option. Hindsight, each person has their priorities! Enjoy your faster DCT in good health !!! |
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BMW is phasing DCT out for the current 8-speed auto that I believe is already in several of its new models. Based on reviews I've read/watched, it's as fast as DCT but it's...........a normal auto. Which is kind of meh to me, but that's just my opinion.
To answer the OP's question, I opted for 6MT because: 1.) My car is a weekend toy, so I don't need to commute in it or daily it. 2.) Buying a brand new car with MT is only going to get increasingly more difficult and hard to come by. I want to enjoy it while I still can. |
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Yeah, how do the DCT lot of you feel on the ZF8, since the DCT will be no more?
I have some experience with the ZF8, and it's absolutely awesome. Lighting fast shifts and responsive on the paddles. Plus an extra gear means better acceleration and/or better highway mpg. They're also proven to hold lots of power, FCA uses them in all the SRT's/Hellcats/Trackhawks. Only complaint I have, is that they're usually "fill for life" tranny's, so no servicing. What they don't tell you is LIFE is meant for the life of the warranty, usually 60,000-100,000 miles, not the life of the tranny. The ZF approved fluid is VERY expensive (I want to say $25+ per quart), and the filter is built into the pan, which is a smooth $500-600 for the whole thing. I was looking into servicing the ZF in my 2015 Grand Cherokee, but it was going to be $900 or so in materials alone. I can't imagine a DCT service, or new clutches, would be any cheaper, but you would think a traditional torque-converter tranny wouldn't be nearing the 4 digits for a fluid and filter swap. |
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I think the ZF8 is the best auto for everyday commuting and long trips. It just shifts seamlessly in traffic and gets better fuel economy. However the speed of paddle shifter shifting in my car wasn't fast enough for me in the mountain twisties with the ZF8 and in auto mode it didn't shift as I wanted it to. I think in manual mode and twisties the DCT still wins over ZF8. I'll take my manual everyday.
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I chose the DCT despite having owned a good many MT cars in the past (but none in the last 10 years).
One, I daily it sometimes thru traffic and have a bad left knee. Two, I was never good at heel-toe. Three, It is faster and easier for me to use paddles when on track or even twisty roads. Imagine 318 curves on the Tail of the Dragon. Lots of 2nd gear turns and short 3rd gear straights. I don't think you'd shift an MT 100+ times unless you're Hans Stuck or Bill Auberlen. Four, I don't mind the slightly taller top gear for cruising and better MPG. Also, if the M2 is the last DCT, I'll miss it in future rides. Not saying the M tuned ZF8 isn't a great transmission (and it certainly is in the M5) but the DCT suits the M2 character quite well.
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I'll give my input on it since I owned a m235i with the ZF before my DCT M2. I also drove a 6MT M2 on track a few times. for STREET driving, puttering around and quick jolts of spirited driving the ZF is better, shifts in auto are incredibly smooth, sport plus/manual shifts are crisp enaugh and 8th gear saves fuel. Its just a very pleasant experience. for TRACK driving, mainly HPDE events I find de DCT much better, you don't need the refinement and smoothness of the ZF on track so the negatives of DCT on the street don't matter. Shifting 7 gears is just right, ZF8 ratios are annoying on tight tracks, upshifts are insanly quick, it really is an automated manual, if more efficient at performance driving and it feels like it. As for the beloved 6MT, I find there is no other way to augment your connection with the car, it basically ads another dimension wich I would describe as a direct relation between your right foot and the engine of the car. You lose this with any automatic/robotic transmission. Like in many things there is always a compromise, I had even more fun on track with the 6mt even if I was slower but I was very happy to put my DCT in auto when driving back home after a full track day tottaly exhausted. In some situation I wish I'd have the other but in some I'm more than happy with my choice. Knowing what you want and defining your realistic needs is sometimes the hardest part of buying a car. Let me finish by saying I would NOT own a ZF8 M2, I'd just revert to MT. Its just too easy with the ZF, the DCT is just at the limit, you know you have to let it do its things and be a little careful. This ads character to the car. The ZF removes this
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Test drive similar spec'ed cars, one manual, one auto. See which one fits your needs.
Side note: From what i've read on this forum, the 6 speed cars are holding their value more than similar auto cars. I would imagine that's due to rarity but who knows?
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[QUOTE=TheoriginalM2;25858695]I believe both transmitions are fine . You wont be disapointed with any of the two. My view is that the DCT is the best of both worlds since its an automated manual transmition , and not an automatic transmition .
waaaaaat? Apologize in advance, im a little annoyed before hopping on tonight and maybe a little tipsy. I overheard a silly argument earlier today between two 20 year-olds at the bimmer shop. If you press the gas and the car changes gear for you... its an automatic. If there is no third pedal, I don't think u can call it anything but what it is. don't flame... I know what a DCT does and enjoy driving it very once in a while... but lets not kid ourselves. Own that fact that it's an automatic, there is no shame in that. If that's what you like then more power to you. Be loud, proud, drive that automatic like you stole it!!!!!
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I know this a contentious subject and I really don't want to delve into it today but I'll just say that if the DCT was just as great and fulfilling, there would be no 6-speed manual option, since that would be considered redundant. Makes you wonder why BMW still offer both options.. It would almost seem like they're regarded as polar opposites.. Just a little food for thought, let's see how long it takes to digest.. |
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au·to·mat·ic | \ ˌȯ-tə-ˈma-tik \ Definition of automatic 1a : largely or wholly involuntary especially : REFLEX sense 5 //automatic blinking of the eyelids b : acting or done spontaneously or unconsciously //the automatic applause of the audience c : done or produced as if by machine : MECHANICAL //the answers were automatic 2 : having a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism //an automatic transmission 3 of a firearm : firing repeatedly until the trigger is release |
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Yeah it's not polar opposites...it's just two different means of accomplishing the same thing.
You are either controlling the shifting with a stick and pedal, or controlling the shifting with two paddles...though DCT also gives you the option of automatic shifting. 6MT is a commitment to one method 100% of the time. DCT gives you the option of the level of engagement you want with your car, which I think is a cool feature. Personally I don't straddle the fence. It's either 6MT or I'm walking.
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