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I'm really not sure where you are getting your info from. If you can point to something I said that was incorrect in this thead or in defense of the M3 being "faster" please do. Otherwise, you and Bradyland are just continuing to amuse the others in the thread (who are apparently MUCH smarter than me because they chose wisely not to engage in this silly debate). Do note, that my point, from the beginning is that the M2C, 718 S, the M3 with Comp Pack, and the Audi RS mk2 are all the same per this test from a statistical standpoint. For them to break down times in 100th of a second on a 2 minute lap done on different days of the year, does not make one of them faster than the other. PS - there is no such thing as a M3C, there is a M3CS however.
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BMW M2 Competition not statistically significantly faster than Cayman S, M3 COMPETITION*, Type R, C63S on Magny-Cours GP Track. because then I just admit 1:59,78 is slower than 1:59,80 and swallow my pride. I stand corrected and lesson learned. *There is no M3 ZCP available in EU, the car in the video is an M3 Competition. Cheers Robin |
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Blaming others for being wrong and amusing like they are a bunch of clowns. Take a look at yourself i'd suggest!!! Cheers!!!1!!! Robin |
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Try googling bmw m3c Then try googling bmw m2c Enjoy!
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A more accurate title would carry the sentiment that the M2C, Cayman S, M3 ZCP are similarly fast. Not that any one of them is faster than the others. Quote:
The more appropriate interpretation for the m2c and m3 zcp from the data given suggests that there is not enough evidence to say one is faster than the other. To determine which is faster, more experiments would have to be run. On a lighter note, both are incredibly similar vehicles - is it really a surprise that they perform... similarly? |
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1) The M2C was faster than the M3C around Magny-Cours. 2) All we can take from that is that the M2C and M3C are close in performance. One is a fact, and the other is an evaluation of that fact, arrived at because the margin of victory is so close. This is not the same as statistical significance, btw. I'd explain it to you, but you can just Google it. Amirite? My opinion is that talking about statistical significance in a context where you have only one sample — again, we don't know how many times they lapped the circuit — is a silly discussion to even have. Should I post a histogram of the lap time distribution? Let me put this another way. Take this histogram to whatever professor taught you statistics and ask them how you should assess the statistical significance of this data. Be sure to record their reaction, because I love watching people laugh. And once more for clarity. I never said it was statistically significant, and I never drew any conclusion that is any different from yours. You're the one that started spouting about statistical significance. Quote:
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I applaud your effort. I've tried to help but your unwilling and rude. Again, just because you don't understand a concept doesn't mean that concept is wrong or doesn't exist - it means that you don't understand the concept. It is not on me to attempt to teach you or explain it to you - that's your job. The information needed to understand the concepts we are discussing are free, there is no supposed intellectual superiority - just open a book or search google.
I could pick apart the lack of knowledge, circular reasoning, and general imprecision in your posts, but highlighting the ignorance in your ramblings is besides the point. An appropriate conclusion to the timing information provided in the OP is that there is not enough evidence to suggest that the M2C is any faster than M3 zcp. |
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Please post any information you have about additional data points. I expect we'll see that at about the same time you post an understandable/correct explanation of statistical significance.
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FWIW, The Grand Tour's laptime standings from last season or that one before(?) McLaren Senna did it in S3 E1 in 1:12.9.(deep bow) Or can we just dismiss this type of laptime leaderboards and which one is correct if any? Why do carmags/journos etc do lap their cars on different tracks, just for nothing? Is Hockenheim Short/GP more important than Magny-Cours and why? The Mother of all Tracks(Nordschleife) is pretty important(doh), but every car is also driven in different circumstances/temperatures and ambient temperatures and not on the same day... When does a laptime count? When one or two rivals are not within, let's say 1 second of the car currently driven? That would be strange.... And who decides if/when a laptime counts/is valid vs the rest? -Some Bimmerpost forummembers? -The carjournos/ the guys who drove the car and made it possible? -??? Cheers Robin |
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Here's the executive summary of our conversation: Me: google hypothesis testing You: Last edited by jlhymb; 01-22-2019 at 11:02 AM.. Reason: birdbox |
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