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04-16-2016, 05:28 PM | #46 | ||
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Using all the track and the runoff area but not sideways and all crossed up while doing so On BOTH of the laps there are simply times where the driver is crossed up and losing time. I'm very familiar with the fast line around an F1 track.. We have this thing called COTA here in Texas and I've managed to drive a lap or two on It ... ![]() |
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He did a small correction on the exit of turn 1. Which is quite normal on a hot lap. Care to pinpoint the times he is sideways and crossed up in the 1:12.20 lap? (Please use time references from the video so it's easier to look it up). Different drivers have different driving styles, but can set similar lap times. Jenson Button is known as a smooth driver with clean lines. Lewis Hamilton is more aggressive. Michael Schumacher wanted a planted front end and preferred a nervous rear end he could play with using his excellent feel and reactions. Watch a F1 race and you can see that on some tracks and corners the driver choose very different lines. To me that last lap seems to be quite neat and tidy for a street car on street tires driven on the limit. |
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04-16-2016, 06:33 PM | #49 |
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I cant wait for this guy to get an m2 on the Ring-he is an amazing driver-and he drives all the bmws-and loves the 2 series; did 7:47 (btg) stock in the 235
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I think he ran too wide in the 1:12.2 lap and lost some time. But I am absolutely more critical of the 1:12.5 lap. When I saw that lap I was like whoa. First off note how excellently he did the corner entry at 8 seconds on the 1:12.5 lap. This is the same corner that he went wide on the 1:12.2 lap and lost the most time. However the 1:12.5 lap had 3 places where I would bet the driver would agree he can improve on that lap. : 53 second - crossed up badly ![]() 1:02 second - crossed up and loses time ![]() 1:08 second - uses all the runoff but does not make a clean exit If he cleans up two of those areas the 1:12:5 he came up with would have been in the 1:11s I think, and I really think the driver would say a 1:11.5 was out there for him to get had he done a perfect lap. I also think he would say that the M2 can be tricky at the limit like the 1M. ![]() |
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04-16-2016, 07:26 PM | #51 | |
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Exactly, because it is the fastest way around this particular track. I can't think of a track in North America where overrunning the berms extremely wide is as critical a component of the laps. There's a reason why Hockenheim is considered a legend in and of itself and why the GP races with huge grandstands are held there and are exciting to watch despite it being a short track (especially in the Hockenheim short configuration). There's nothing quite like it that I have seen.
Also to address others' comments, would think that most should realize this, but this is a street car test by a racing driver and not a race car, so when they are testing multiple laps, brakes fade, tires get sticky and of course lap conditions change. Is there .2 secs left in perfect conditions? Maybe, but again, the track is a dynamic environment and a street car responds to that environment differently from a race car and thus you will never get the same consistency in a street car as in a race car. I'm sure Mr. Gebhardt would agree. It's a fantastic lap, just like the dozens of videotaped laps well documented in Sport Auto videos (all available on Youtube) for the Supertest and TunerGP on Hockenheim. Quote:
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At least we are not talking about M mirrors...
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His previous lap has moments as you point out (but I didn't ask about that lap ![]() Anyway, IMO he isn't running too wide in turn 1. I have watched F1 and other race series there since the early 90ies and his line is perfectly normal. As I said, F1 drivers gets a warning to stay within track limits at corners like this because they let the car go wide to carry as much speed as possible. Keeping a tighter line through that corner kills corner speed. But sure, every lap can be improved! And we will find out soon what he thinks when the Sport Auto Supertest is published next week ![]() |
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04-17-2016, 03:22 AM | #63 | ||
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Generally he praises the car as being very fun and rewarding to drive on the limit. He has asked the M engineers and they say that the M2 is set up more for short tracks like the Hockenheimring and not so much for the Nurburgring. M engineers advised to increase front tire pressures and decrease rear tire pressures for the Ring lap compared to the Hockenheim lap (2.2/2.2bar vs 2.5/2.0bar). This is his comments on the Hockenheim lap: Quote:
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Glad to hear the engineers advice to put some more time pressure up front ! I try to run my 1M at 38psi front and 37 psi rear HOT when I am on track and for autocross ... Absolutely need more pressure up front than the rear. ![]() Edit: 2.5 bar = 36 psi 2.2 bar = 32 psi 2.0 bar = 29 psi 7 psi higher in the front is ummm. A lot wow.i |
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