[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Since the [COLOR="Blue"]S58[/COLOR] is built on the [COLOR="Green"]B58[/COLOR] platform and the [COLOR="Green"]B58[/COLOR] is already stuffed into the 2 series chassis(240i), I don't think it's too far-fetched that would be able fit the [COLOR="Blue"]S58[/COLOR] in the new M2 CS' body..

Of course this is just conjecture until the official reveal of the motor..

I'm pretty sure it fits. I have no doubt about that. I just don't think BMW will do it on F87. As I said, even if they do, I think it'll be for a very limited and much more expensive model such as CS (or a higher model).

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Since the S58 is built on the B58 platform and the B58 is already stuffed into the 2 series chassis(240i), I don't think it's too far-fetched that would be able fit the S58 in the new M2 CS' body..

Of course this is just conjecture until the official reveal of the motor..

In all seriousness though, why would they do it?

The S55 has plenty headroom for any CS or CSL model for the f87. They could tune it beyond the M3CS safely I'm sure, but they won't want to do that because of the BMW model tiers.

I don't think BMW is that concerned about the exhaust sound that they would spend the resources to tackle this on f87.

Perhaps if the G series 2 series is far enough out on the development roadmap it's worth doing further development on the f87?


Maybe BMW just has a new philosophy of updating the cars more frequently so every year has possibly a worth while upgrade. New model, then new colors, then LCI, then new engine, then updated tech, then LCI that, then brand new car again. Just every year gets iterative development? Seems expensive, but it helps them market to always have a new thing.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by akkando

In all seriousness though, why would they do it?

The S55 has plenty headroom for any CS or CSL model for the f87.

I don't think BMW is that concerned about the exhaust sound that they would spend the resources to tackle this on f87.

Perhaps if the G series 2 series is far enough out on the development roadmap it's worth doing further development on the f87?


Maybe BMW just has a new philosophy of updating the cars more frequently so every year has possibly a worth while upgrade. New model, then new colors, then LCI, then new engine, then updated tech, then LCI that, then brand new car again. Just every year gets iterative development? Seems expensive, but it helps them market to always have a new thing.

Good point on the S55 power potential but to make this vehicle a little more special, they might throw in the new motor to give it an air of exclusivity.

Then eventually they will trickle down the same S58 into the future standard G series M2s.

Just spitballing speculations, so who really knows..

[SeanWRT]

Guys, just a muffler. Even N55 muffler can be fitted to a N20 as long as pipe diameter matches which I'm sure is the case for S55 and S58.

They could be testing the new generation OPF fitted exhaust/muffler that's going on all models even including 4 cylinders.

Does BMW have problem selling F87 with S55?

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by arquitecto

I really hope all these little add on pieces become better integrated as the design develops.

It's like watching a Hollywood Star slowly transforming after countless plastic surgeries.

If they keep changing little things here and there then before you know it the beauty and simplicity of the original will be lost all together...

Yup I agree completely.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Romo

^Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I do like the Cayman more, the 911 (wat ever series of them) have grown too big IMHO

Yep, different strokes for different folks. Don't miss my GT4 at all, but in love with my GT3. I hope you are able to land the upcoming GT4 and enjoy the heck out of it.

As an aside, it's kind of ironic to hear ///M guys comment that the 911 has gotten too big. The current M3 is bigger than the M5 I grew up with!

[10"]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

The hydraulic rack in the E9x M3 and 1M are not considered great either.

Uh what? The hydraulic rack in the 1M and E9X M3 is totally fantastic. One of the main reasons that generation of BMWs are so revered. Universally loved...I've driven so many M cars and along with the E46 those are the best hydraulic steering racks I've tried in BMWs.

One of the worst things about F series BMWs are the synthetic steering. I liked the M2 when I drove it but didn't love it. Hated the steering the most though it felt lifeless. Not sure if the M2C makes it feel less synthetic or not but would be interested to try it!

[akkando]

Originally Posted by kepler

Yep, different strokes for different folks. Don't miss my GT4 at all, but in love with my GT3. I hope you are able to land the upcoming GT4 and enjoy the heck out of it.

As an aside, it's kind of ironic to hear ///M guys comment that the 911 has gotten too big. The current M3 is bigger than the M5 I grew up with!

The M fans have been complaining about the size of M cars too, that's why people are on this board instead of the f80/82 board.

[Woots]

The deposits guys have been putting down are refundable yes? Even if they do end up releasing ‘something’?
Aside from wasting your/dealers time it’s maybe a good idea to at least try incase it fits whatever someone is looking for.

Waiting with a baited breath but having just picked up an M140i I perhaps shouldn’t really be spending hours trawling through M2 stuff, I just really want it to be a CSL

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by cntzl

I still don't think we'll see S58 being available on the F87 chassis but even if it does show up it'll be in a rare, limited edition model. Either way it's goods news for many of us. I'll enjoy my M2C for next 3 years or so and then upgrade to S58 as long as it comes with a *manual*

Idk i just feel cars get whored out too much nowadays, dont you think?

Already your eyes are set on the new chick with the bigger boobs that gonna be rolled in a few years

Wheres the love?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Idk i just feel cars get whored out too much nowadays, dont you think?

Already your eyes are set on the new chick with the bigger boobs that gonna be rolled in a few years

Wheres the love?

Well BMW has to keep up with the "competition" and their solution is a CS.

Even it being a limited production vehicle and might be sold out on in a day, it still creates buzz to the brand that might attract other buyers.

For instance, all my non-BMW friends are asking me now; "Hey, I heard they put the M4 motor in M2, that's sick!"

Now BMW got their attention

[Woots]

Have residuals on the other CS models been any good? If it’s going to cost £70k for an M2 CS that’s is going to be really nudging ‘special’ exotica
Probably V12 vantage prices 😳

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Idk i just feel cars get whored out too much nowadays, dont you think?

Already your eyes are set on the new chick with the bigger boobs that gonna be rolled in a few years

Wheres the love?

No, I don't see it that way... I usually don't keep my cars more than 3-4 years. In fact, had my last two cars only for 2 years each. If there is something better that excites me more and if my financial situation allows, it's a simple decision for me, I'll upgrade.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Idk i just feel cars get whored out too much nowadays, dont you think?

Already your eyes are set on the new chick with the bigger boobs that gonna be rolled in a few years

Wheres the love?

Most everyone I know into cars change their car or cars every 2 or 3 years. If they own a keeper, it becomes a weekend only car or a track car build(in addition to their daily).

[GoneIn4Secs]

So we are just renting cars now for 3 yrs

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

So we are just renting cars now for 3 yrs

One of the reasons I lease in cases like this...not a popular option with some on this board...but works for me. I see these cars as a straight up expense - a hobby...pure and simple. I only buy a vehicle when I am going to drive it into the ground (i.e. my winter beater) and I don't care about depreciation.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

One of the reasons I lease in cases like this...not a popular option with some on this board...but works for me. I see these cars as a straight up expense - a hobby...pure and simple. I only buy a vehicle when I am going to drive it into the ground (i.e. my winter beater) and I don't care about depreciation.

. If leasing is done right, then it really doesn't pay to buy. Unless, like you said, going to drive it into ground. And that's only if it's a reliable car. I lease a sports car with a 138k sticker for $870/mo includes tax, 0 down, 33mo, 10kmiles per yr. Doesn't pay to buy. The real winner will be the person that buys it off lease.

[GoneIn4Secs]

The real winner will be the person that buys it off lease

Can you explain

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

. If leasing is done right, then it really doesn't pay to buy. Unless, like you said, going to drive it into ground. And that's only if it's a reliable car. I lease a sports car with a 138k sticker for $870/mo includes tax, 0 down, 33mo, 10kmiles per yr. Doesn't pay to buy. The real winner will be the person that buys it off lease.

I'm a fan of leasing, so I ask this out of genuine interest and not to put you on the defensive, but what sports car is this?? Assuming 7% sales tax, just to pull middle-of-the-road tax rate out of a hat, and even assuming a MF of 0, that payment indicates a 33 month residual over 80%. What sports car at $138K is being offered with a residual of 80%? I'm totally missing the boat here. Last time I checked even Porsche was just cracking the 70% residual level but you had to contract at only 5K miles per year just to be there. Even they don't approach 80% residuals.

What I'm also not getting is how you think the next person will be the winner, because at that 80% residual the next guy is going to pay $120K all in for a 3 year old car that stickered for $138K. Either that or the manufacturer plans to take a massive write-down on the value of this car at the 3 year mark in order for the next buyer to not get slaughtered.

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

My guess would be M8, then M4.

M8 is going to be a pigfat hambeast so a CS is needed badly

[RPM33]

So the M2 CS is going into production March 2020? Has this been confirmed?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by afwares

I'm a fan of leasing, so I ask this out of genuine interest and not to put you on the defensive, but what sports car is this?? Assuming 7% sales tax, just to pull middle-of-the-road tax rate out of a hat, and even assuming a MF of 0, that payment indicates a 33 month residual over 80%. What sports car at $138K is being offered with a residual of 80%? I'm totally missing the boat here. Last time I checked even Porsche was just cracking the 70% residual level but you had to contract at only 5K miles per year just to be there. Even they don't approach 80% residuals.

What I'm also not getting is how you think the next person will be the winner, because at that 80% residual the next guy is going to pay $120K all in for a 3 year old car that stickered for $138K. Either that or the manufacturer plans to take a massive write-down on the value of this car at the 3 year mark in order for the next buyer to not get slaughtered.

2017 F-type SVR. Happened to strike while jaguar was offering 30k in incentives. I got 38k off sticker. Excellent mf. $840/mo before taxes. Depreciation puts it at $71k post lease. It's well cared for, paint corrected, etc. So the person that buys it close to 70k will be getting a good buy as further depreciation will have slowed.



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