[Coops90]

Not really a ford fan. The last Ford I liked was the Mk1 Focus RS. And of course the escort/Sierra cossys from the 80/90s.
All the 'hot' Focus' (Foci?!) have looked chavvy (boy racer) to me. Stick on stripes, RS/ST stickers on the side and not to mention those fucking awful roof spoilers on the last model RS and this current one too.

Not a good looking car in my opinion, so M2 all day. But this is a BMW forum...

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

What pre release marketing hype? Wasn't the M2 beating the crap out of the M4 all over the track and in the fun factor post release? Oh, I get it. Those comparisons were setup unlike this very legit one?

I think you missed his point.

When the M2 was winning over the M3/M4 it was hailed as a return to form from BMW and as a pure drivers car (which I also think is probably a correct description of the M2). At the same time, the M3/M4 crowd dissed the M2's interior and refinement as being quite basic and not very premium.

Now, the Focus RS is nearly as fast as the M2 (which had a DCT), and it's suddenly how much more premium and luxurious the M2 is that is the main argument for the M2...

I'd personally buy the M2 over the RS, but only for subjective reasons. Not any objective reasons for me to choose the M2 over the RS (apart from cost). Similar performance and both cars hailed as fun to drive by those that have tested them.

[VO_1M]

Where's Chris Harris when u need him lol

[Boss330]

Someone mentioned boyracers...

[Boosted_N54]

Originally Posted by ABPReader

- M2 vs focus RS
- Gigi hadid vs Ken Block
- Fun car vs retarded AF drift mode
- 6 cyl vs 4 cyl
...

How is it possible to compare these 2 ?

6 cylinder vs 4cyl oh really so then they shouldn't compare? ??????????


then I guess they should of NEVER Compared the m3/m4 to C class AMG all these years because the M3 has 6cyl. and C AMG a V8

cut the BULLSHIT these cars performed the same end of story both BOY RACE CARS

[chris82]

This quote sums up the review. "on the dry pavement, the rear wheel drive isn't such a disadvantage"

So he's saying it's still a disadvantage, on a dry track. You got to be kidding me...

[FogCityM3]

Since you bring it up the M4, by virtue of the "transitive property" one can conclude Focus RS > M4.

Totally kidding of course.

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

What pre release marketing hype? Wasn't the M2 beating the crap out of the M4 all over the track and in the fun factor post release? Oh, I get it. Those comparisons were setup unlike this very legit one?

[scoobysaurus]

Lol @ these jokers claiming 2 series and 4 series are "luxury". Bet they've never been in a real luxury car so they like to pretend they're all big with their $50-$60k BMW's. Heck even a damn 6th gen Camaro has a better interior than a 2/3/4 series. Surprising how easy it is to fool people with a badge - a BMW badge does not automatically turn an econobox 2 series into a 7 series.

I'd personally still choose the Ford because the badge doesn't define a car. Screw the badge wh***s. The M2 is a great car too but unfortunately the posers have already started to give it bad rep. Having said that if I were to buy another BMW it would have to be the M2 because I feel it's better than everything else they're making right now, regardless of the fact that it's "just a 2 series". The possibilities are endless when you're not a poser/ badge wh***

[Artemis]

It's a good thing that there is competition.

It keeps the brands aware to improve their portfolio and release even better cars.

It may push them also to more tight in-house competition, with new technology trickling down to latest models (E82 1M vs E9X M3 | M2 vs F80 M3 or F82 M4, etc.).

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by scoobysaurus

Lol @ these jokers claiming 2 series and 4 series are "luxury". Bet they've never been in a real luxury car so they like to pretend they're all big with their $50-$60k BMW's. Heck even a damn 6th gen Camaro has a better interior than a 2/3/4 series. Surprising how easy it is to fool people with a badge - a BMW badge does not automatically turn an econobox 2 series into a 7 series.

I'd personally still choose the Ford because the badge doesn't define a car. Screw the badge wh***s. The M2 is a great car too but unfortunately the posers have already started to give it bad rep. Having said that if I were to buy another BMW it would have to be the M2 because I feel it's better than everything else they're making right now, regardless of the fact that it's "just a 2 series". The possibilities are endless when you're not a poser/ badge wh***

Your garage list SCREAMS badge whore!

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by scoobysaurus

Lol @ these jokers claiming 2 series and 4 series are "luxury". Bet they've never been in a real luxury car so they like to pretend they're all big with their $50-$60k BMW's. Heck even a damn 6th gen Camaro has a better interior than a 2/3/4 series. Surprising how easy it is to fool people with a badge - a BMW badge does not automatically turn an econobox 2 series into a 7 series.

I'd personally still choose the Ford because the badge doesn't define a car. Screw the badge wh***s. The M2 is a great car too but unfortunately the posers have already started to give it bad rep. Having said that if I were to buy another BMW it would have to be the M2 because I feel it's better than everything else they're making right now, regardless of the fact that it's "just a 2 series". The possibilities are endless when you're not a poser/ badge wh***

a 6th Gen camaro absolutely does not have a better interior than a 3/4 series. I haven't spent much time in a 2er but you're definitely off on that one. the M3, even without full leather feels like a luxury car in comparison. but that's just the thing, it's all relative. a loaded Honda Accord may be luxurious to some (including a lot of focus owners). there are definitely more luxurious cars out there but design, fit/finish/material quality is going to usually go to BMW over Ford.... Compare the 2,3,4 to a more luxurious car (7series? S Class, Rolls... some full custom celeb buses) and yeah, it feels like a rental car. for the purposes of this discussion, the 2er has a more high end feel, even if it's not a WORLD of difference, it's enough to comment on since these two cars are cross shopped more than some would probably like to admit. the m3/4 definitely are a step above the m2 in terms of high-end feel... until you sit in the C63. It's all relative but also relevant for discussions like this (a comparison, where you nit-pick the differences between two cars that share a number of attributes, goals, and/or potential buyers).

[Robin_NL]

I'm turning 46 in a few weeks, still a boyracer(or midlife crisis whatever lol), but having had a Subara Impreza GTT Turbo back in '99 I'd choose a Focus RS in a heartbeat....If i was 10 years younger

I think atm the best sporty cars you can buy for a reasonable price (relatively) -or being on a waiting list-are:
Cayman GT4
M2
Focus RS

I'm talking about sporty-sporty. Civilized are Golf R, RS3 etc.

I really don't get the hostile reactions here?

Ford has more racing/rallying heritage than probably ANY BRAND in the world.Including Porsche and Ferrari...(which I like/love as well doh)

Shelby Cobra 289/427, GT40...Ford DFV V8 in Lotus 49, Lotus Cortina, Escort Mk1, Mk2 rally, RS200, Escort Cosworth, Sierra RS500/DTM, Rally WRC Focus/Fiesta.etc etc


AND Ken Block FGS

Anyway enjoy the weekend guys.

Cheers
Robin

[Scott_L]

Guys you also need to consider the tyres - the M2 is on Michelin Pilot Sports and the RS is on Cup2's.

Put Cup2's on the BMW and I reckon you'd shave at least 2 seconds off the lap time.

Nonetheless - the Ford is a quick car for the money.

Probably just my brand snobbery/bias but I don't believe the Ford engineering is on the same level as BMW. I bet if you drove them both hard around a circuit all day the engineering integrity would start to reveal. In life, you mostly get what you pay for.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Scott_L

Guys you also need to consider the tyres - the M2 is on Michelin Pilot Sports and the RS is on Cup2's.

Put Cup2's on the BMW and I reckon you'd shave at least 2 seconds off the lap time.

Nonetheless - the Ford is a quick car for the money.

Probably just my brand snobbery/bias but I don't believe the Ford engineering is on the same level as BMW. I bet if you drove them both hard around a circuit all day the engineering integrity would start to reveal. In life, you mostly get what you pay for.

Welcome here

I get what you're saying, and somewhat agree, though having driven E46 M3/E90 M3/1M on trackdays(brakes are the worst part stock) it's less about core engineering and more about overal build quality I guess?

Edit: I have to see the vid again, was the RS on Cuptyres really? That should matter as you're already stating...

Cheers
Robin

[chris82]

Originally Posted by Scott_L

Guys you also need to consider the tyres - the M2 is on Michelin Pilot Sports and the RS is on Cup2's.

Put Cup2's on the BMW and I reckon you'd shave at least 2 seconds off the lap time.

Nonetheless - the Ford is a quick car for the money.

Probably just my brand snobbery/bias but I don't believe the Ford engineering is on the same level as BMW. I bet if you drove them both hard around a circuit all day the engineering integrity would start to reveal. In life, you mostly get what you pay for.

Well thanks for pointing that out. That actually explains how much better the M2 is than the RS because tires make the difference.

[BMW 2002tii]

And on top of it all the tester - can't drive a powerful rear-wheeled drive car.

Let's see the focus RS go around something longer it will get toasted...

[N & M]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

M2 is a hog. The numbers show it. If RS is this close to M2 it is just as close to M4 and maybe even better on technical tracks. Kudos to Ford. BMW M needs a complete revamp. Next one coming up around corner ... Hyundai

BMW has to up its game but also this circuit favors the RS. I would like to see them at different venue where the rear drive chassis can show its stuff.

Also AWD is always going to win when the weather goes fowl. That is why I think BMW M needs to rethink its AWD tech.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by BMW 2002tii

And on top of it all the tester - can't drive a powerful rear-wheeled drive car.

Let's see the focus RS go around something longer it will get toasted...

Originally Posted by N & M

BMW has to up its game but also this circuit favors the RS. I would like to see them at different venue where the rear drive chassis can show its stuff.

Also AWD is always going to win when the weather goes fowl. That is why I think BMW M needs to rethink its AWD tech.

I guess Sport Auto will do a Supertest of the Focus RS. The M2 did a 8:01 Nurburgring lap time. Let's see what the Focus RS does on the 'Ring

The previous Focus RS did it in 8:26 and a Raeder Motorsport tuned Focus RS did it in 7:58

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...20.html?show=2
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...31.html?show=2

AMG A45 did it in 8:04 BTW

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I guess Sport Auto will do a Supertest of the Focus RS. The M2 did a 8:01 Nurburgring lap time. Let's see what the Focus RS does on the 'Ring

Nope. 7:58, according to BMW.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/10/13/75...er-and-slower/

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by BruceM

Nope. 7:58, according to BMW.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/10/13/75...er-and-slower/

The Sport Auto Supertest time is 8:01

Manufacturer times are a bit of an unknown since specifications and driver is usually not stated. Also they have hundreds of lap in the car before they set the time. Sport Auto Supertest times are the best comparisons, because we know it's the same driver and we know the spec of the car (like tires, tire pressures, suspension alignment etc).

If we have a Focus RS manufacturer set lap time, then we can compare that with the M2 lap time of 7:58. If not, Supertest lap times are the best comparison database there is.

BTW, the Civic Type R did a manufacturer Nurburgring lap time in 7:50...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-world-record/

[bmwmnation]

Originally Posted by pit1

"packing the BMW M4's 6-cylinder engine..."

Ya wtf lol

[dmz]

Yes, you are brand snob and biased. So stop making things up to fit your narrative. The RS does not have the optional cup2 tires on this test. Look at the tire tread at the :30 mark. Those are obviously not Cup2 treads.

Originally Posted by Scott_L

Guys you also need to consider the tyres - the M2 is on Michelin Pilot Sports and the RS is on Cup2's.

Put Cup2's on the BMW and I reckon you'd shave at least 2 seconds off the lap time.

Nonetheless - the Ford is a quick car for the money.

Probably just my brand snobbery/bias but I don't believe the Ford engineering is on the same level as BMW. I bet if you drove them both hard around a circuit all day the engineering integrity would start to reveal. In life, you mostly get what you pay for.