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I'm going to speculate a bit. Looking at the M2 racecar at €95k no one seemed to think it was overly expensive. This was the detuned version. I suspect another €15k for the hotter 450hp version. If we can reasonably assume that the racecar is nearly the lightest spec that you gen get. Logic would place an enthusiast track focuses CSL/GTS significantly pricier than the CS since it would closely represent the racecar. Would all the forum members jump at the opportunity to drive a M2 street legal racecar for North of $100K US? Clearly it is not cheap to make a reliable racecar. My guess is that the cost is increasing drastically to outfit the system to reliably take abuse. Im not interested in GTS, but I'm curious how much forum members would spend on one? |
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Which Patek? I want a 5712 so bad..... |
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I like your perspective on the M2C + Patek appreciation more than the CS lol. And another bonus point for you, I am indeed expecting a 5712, next year.
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I would do it, but my wife would absolutely murder the f out of me. But, yolo.... |
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12-18-2019, 10:27 PM | #952 |
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JCZ5, I have a M2C now. And after your post, I'm honestly considering keeping my M2C, as I genuinely enjoy it. But I will now use any money I would have used as a down payment towards a CS, and just pick up another watch haha thank you for your contributions to this thread!
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12-18-2019, 10:41 PM | #953 | |
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As with all modern M cars, it's saving grace is it's electronic locking Limited Slip Differential that based on load or vehicle or driver input, it able to locks the appropriate percentage and allowed slippage to maximize traction and over-steer, on demand, an in intelligent manner. Having electronic dampers added to the mix that piggybacks of the same logic, adds a layer to the vehicle's control and dynamics. When you break it down, coilovers or electric shocks are all the same core dampers coil, one just has more real-live vehicle influence over the other. The advantage of coilovers is it's height adjustability and track tuned dampers but its still only set at once pace or height before you can jack up the car and physically adjust its setting. Having control from the cabin a huge advantage to the average street driven consumer. I expect any dampers to last roughly 60,000 to 80,000 miles before they physically wear out and I'm aware they do cost $1,000 per side. I could snag them online, retail, for $800 but that's the cost of doing business. I'm sure coilovers needs a complete refresh sooner than Adaptive Dampers will due to its hard-core setting and tighter tolerances. However you slice it, personal cars are luxury not a necessity, it really comes down to how much you want to spend for what you want. |
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12-18-2019, 11:31 PM | #954 | |
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It's also worth noting that coilovers and adaptive damping are not mutually exclusive Plug and play adaptive coilovers are currently available for the F8X platforms from companies such as KW, Bilstein and Tractive Furthermore, there are electronic controllers available from places like DSC Sport which allow for multiple and even custom damper tuning calibrations |
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12-19-2019, 05:16 AM | #955 | |
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5712 is almost as hard to get as the 5711. In the grey market dealers are asking for double to triple the retail price. |
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12-19-2019, 05:32 AM | #956 | |
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From a track performance perspective then it's the other way around. People have different driving styles, drivers weight differently so to be able to corner balance and shift weights to close in on that optimum 25% distribution per corner is one of the cornerstones of coilovers. Then there is the rebound and compression than can be adjusted on the spot to fine tune over & understeer. Consider it akin to a set of 007 Tom Ford Bespoke ... Last edited by Karmic Man; 12-19-2019 at 06:39 AM.. |
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Perhaps you are right about ADs being the most appropriate solution for the intended demographic but I personally would much prefer a set of true coilovers like the KW clubsport on the M4 GTS. |
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I honestly think the secondary market has been nuts on the nautilus and from my perspective not worth double msrp.
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So the benefits of more traditional coilovers such as changing rates with different springs, adjusting preload, setting the ride height and corner balancing remain exactly the same EDC allows for on the spot changes of rebound and compression settings from the driver's seat without having to stop, get out, crawl under and/or lift your car and/or take off the wheels to make both rebound and compression adjustments In some ways it's kind of like the difference between having carburetors and electronic fuel injection When EFI became commonly available it was viewed by many (myself included) as undesirable because the ability to change or adjust your air/fuel mixture appeared to be coming to an end and the reliability of electronic management was a concern However, as the technology of EFI improved, that view began to change as the benefits increased not just in terms of fuel economy and emissions, but also in terms of performance and ease of tuning That doesn't mean that EFI is superior to carbs in every situation as there are still pros and cons to both and the same can be said of EDC |
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I didn't see it anywhere from others but the M2 CS sort of exists in the UK site but throws errors currently if selecting to build.
Base price confirmed though. £75,320
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12-19-2019, 09:54 PM | #965 | |
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It probably has more to do with Delphi(now owned by BWI) invented the tech and BMW would have to pay up to use it. Ferrari did just that and have been using magnetic damper tech for years. Last edited by DieGrüneHölle; 12-19-2019 at 10:12 PM.. |
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https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/12/19/b...-or-bmw-m2-cs/ ("Better Buy: Pre-Owned BMW 1 Series M or BMW M2 CS ?")
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Regardless of weight, the CS will ride differently than the Competition version. Also, I read that the new 992 911 Turbo is about 110 pounds more than the last generation. Weight gain is everywhere in the car industry including Porsche.
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