[IB M]

I'm a fan. Bring it to the US without the orange accents but up the production numbers to 1500 to 2000 per year. 700 M4GTS is too low and doesn't get the car into real circulation. The M4 GTS is so rare and exclusive it is actually inconsequential in the main stream enthusiast community.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Powaup

This is according to our BMW insider Scott: all M gmbh will get this pattern of variations
Base - comp pack - GTS - CSL

My theory is as follows:
The M2 GTS will be faster than the M4 GTS, because once the m2 GTS is out the M4 GTS will be over 2 years old and the M4 CSL will be on the cusp of production. Leaving the m2 GTS with the "fastest BMW" title for only a short period of time

PS:
Reading these comments I really don't get how much you guys are die hard manual fans and absolutely refuse to buy a DCT car. It's like even if the m2 GTS car was $1 more than an M2 but only DCT some of you guys wouldn't touch it (disclaimer: I drive a manual car)

No way they let the little brother be faster, Germany don't play dat

Driving a 6MT I think you do understand why some people prefer them. Not everybody cares about shaving tenths, some like to be engaged and to have fun with the challenge

[Diver]

Sick. The usual debate over MT vs Auto bores me. Once MT was faster and more efficient than Auto. Those days are over, so the MT guys have moved on to subjective stuff like involvement. Driving a DCT fast with the paddles is pretty damn involving even if your left foot's only use is to hold you in the seat better.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

No way they let the little brother be faster, Germany don't play dat

Driving a 6MT I think you do understand why some people prefer them. Not everybody cares about shaving tenths, some like to be engaged and to have fun with the challenge

Word to your mother !

Love the homey the clown !

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Diver

Sick. The usual debate over MT vs Auto bores me. Once MT was faster and more efficient than Auto. Those days are over, so the MT guys have moved on to subjective stuff like involvement. Driving a DCT fast with the paddles is pretty damn involving even if your left foot's only use is to hold you in the seat better.

Driving a DCT is always less involving **by definition*.

To say otherwise is preposterous. It's the raison detre for an automatic transmission, so that one doesn't have to do part of the work !

If one were Juggling items - when is juggling two items ever " more involving " than three ?

You may be able to focus better on the two items but clearly there is less involvement.

Being more focused on fewer tasks does not equal more involving

[shivaswrath]

N55 GTS would be nice. Not an S55....

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Diver

Sick. The usual debate over MT vs Auto bores me. Once MT was faster and more efficient than Auto. Those days are over, so the MT guys have moved on to subjective stuff like involvement. Driving a DCT fast with the paddles is pretty damn involving even if your left foot's only use is to hold you in the seat better.

Autos have been faster than manuals for a long time now, ever since 5+ forward gears and locking torque converters. The "involvement" argument has nothing to do with sour grapes. Some of us enjoy the experience. If pure speed is what you're after, 1) why are you driving a BMW, and 2) what will you say when a self-driving electric car sets faster lap times than something more traditional?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Autos have been faster than manuals for a long time now, ever since 5+ forward gears and locking torque converters. The "involvement" argument has nothing to do with sour grapes. Some of us enjoy the experience. If pure speed is what you're after, 1) why are you driving a BMW, and 2) what will you say when a self-driving electric car sets faster lap times than something more traditional?

Totally understand what you're saying - it's just that one isn't necessarily more involving than the other. We all have different perspectives on things like that - involving to one person might be annoyance to another.

I have had 9 manual transmission cars too - so I totally get it. I too enjoy the experience of a manual transmission. I also enjoy a PDK/DCT. It's just not a topic that can be settled on objective criteria.

[LBBDrew]

Originally Posted by stren

These cars are halo cars, they are not serious cars you to buy, they are out there to set better ring times so that BMW can say they compete with other higher performance cars. Prices don't have to be reasonable because the numbers are so low that profits are tiny or a loss even at double. Plus the limited numbers mean that even at those prices the cars will sell out. The M4 GTS got BMW a lot of attention, sold out and presumably sold a few more non GTS cars. It's about ///Marketing and making sure the brand has a harder core driver's car image than it has had recently. It's not about actually selling those specific cars.

Well said

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

N55 GTS would be nice. Not an S55....

Lol.

[RPChan]

I cannot begin to imagine why BMW would do this. It does not make good business sense. Unless the M2 is in the plans to become the DTM racing platform I don't see it happening.

Regarding the MT vs DCT debate the U.S. is obsessed with NASCAR (4 speed MT), straight line speed and manual transmissions. Europe follows F1 and DTM both with DCT variants. The days of MT in racing outside of historic's is about to go the way of the horse and buggy.

In my track car I have a MT (e36 M3). I would be lying if I said I wouldn't trade it for a DCT car. Having driven COTA, Barber, NCM, Heartland and others multiple times I don't believe that I would enjoy the track sessions any less with DCT. In 20 years of driving I have never come off the track thinking about how much I enjoyed using my left foot as part of the process of shifting. I love the technology of the DCT.

I spent two days driving with Brian Redmond two years ago. The year before that it was Justin Bell. Both of them marveled over the F1 style transmissions and how great they are. I would be surprised out if either, given the option, would drive a manual. That being said there are probably equally as many purists so simply the best option is "to each their own". Fortunately the voice of America is big enough that most manufacturers will still deliver manuals to America. Even if they are ultimately slower on the track with comparable drivers.

[S65V8]

at $80k optioned, ok-still pushing it, BUT definitely not at $110k+, fug that.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

No way they let the little brother be faster, Germany don't play dat

Driving a 6MT I think you do understand why some people prefer them. Not everybody cares about shaving tenths, some like to be engaged and to have fun with the challenge

They could also just put a B engine in there that should solve the issue

[W///]

Originally Posted by SROC5

at $80k optioned, ok-still pushing it, BUT definitely not at $110k+, fug that.

Why not? I'm not saying I can afford a $110k car. We've seen how close the M4 GTS comes to a 991 GT3. Is it as fast? No. But I think we're all surprised by just how GOOD the reviews have been for that car.

Now imagine if they do the same thing on an even smaller car, which I don't think they will, but that's another story.

I'm all about variety!... even if I can't afford them

[doccyber]

This is going to be a rumor and only a rumor. If BMW wants to give us a true driver's car it needs to go back to it roots. Shed the unwanted pounds and bloated current roster of cars and give us cars with road feel and handling that was once BMW's signature.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by swilliams

Reasons why I don't care to wait for an M2 GTS or CS:

1. No longer a good value/affordable
2. Wing looks like complete $#!+
3. No 6MT, most likely
4. Will be limited production, stupid hard to find, or will be sold to BMW "friends" only.
5. Pretty sure no matter what they do, I'd rather have a 2017 M2 + E46 M3. For 120K Euro I could add a 1M, as well.

Oh and...
6. S55 sounds like garbage - do. not. want.

Totally agree. Except the kid in me kind of likes the wing.

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by swilliams

Reasons why I don't care to wait for an M2 GTS or CS:

1. No longer a good value/affordable
2. Wing looks like complete $#!+
3. No 6MT, most likely
4. Will be limited production, stupid hard to find, or will be sold to BMW "friends" only.
5. Pretty sure no matter what they do, I'd rather have a 2017 M2 + E46 M3. For 120K Euro I could add a 1M, as well.

Oh and...
6. S55 sounds like garbage - do. not. want.

Oh and
7. No true M mirrors

[ORIGIN M.]

We can always dream.

More likely: ///M2 CSL w/4 Cyl Turbo & eDrive.

[bimmerjph]

I don't see BMW doing that... at all.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

I don't see BMW doing that... at all.

M2 GTS NO

M2 CSL YES

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

M2 GTS NO

M2 CSL YES

Ehh maybe. I'd still be a little surprised if they did a CSL. Granted I don't follow BMW rumors as much as I used to so I may have missed the test mules if it is a thing. God knows the 2-Series could lose some weight though. It is RIDICULOUSLY porky for its size.

[samuraisaiyo]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

I kind of like that combo.

Me too!!