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-40 pour point indicates GTL, not PAO. PAO drops pour point a lot. I would say heavy GTL stock, that is why high pour point, but high HTHS and low Noack. Yes, that 3.88 is older version when they just introduced GTL. |
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Interesting, is that why HTHS dropped to 3.66 when the introduced SN+ back then?
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01-10-2022, 09:25 PM | #289 | |
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Is this oil discontinued and bmw canada is just pulling it from whatever is left in storage? Or is it still being made? I know MSP/A (I wish I stocked up if this was the case, but it was really dang expensive so I wouldn't have bought alot) might be pulled in Canada soon which absolutely sucks, I think (but am not sure) we will no longer get the German bottled products like MTF, diff oil, and brake fluid and get the same stuff the US gets.
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Overall me personally, I am pretty happy with the new reformulation. It has a much better additive package (lowered sodium by 50% in favor of magnesium, and more moly, phosphorous, and zinc) imo and HTHS is right back up where it needs to be at 3.8. Hopefully next update zinc will go up a bit more to reach 1k ppm and flash point issues go away, and if we are really lucky a bit higher hths. Ah that's unfortunate.
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01-10-2022, 10:02 PM | #293 |
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I just did a quick search and you can still get the BMW M Power 0w40 oil in various places. Prices range from $10-15 a quart ($15 a quart is flashbacks to my S62 days). I could run that, do a UOA and then pick up more old stock if it looks good.
Next option is Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 LL01. This looks comparable although I guess you've got to dig if you want to find the HTHS, NOACK, etc. Another option a friend found while digging was Redline Professional 5w40 which is LL01 and Porsche A40 certified, similar price point, etc. The HTHS is a hair lower at 3.7. Oh, and I should add that my reasoning for extending OCIs with more track use isn't due to monetary constraints/hassle of changing oils, but because it seems wasteful to be changing oil after every weekend when I'm doing 5-6 weekends a year. |
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2) if PPE is not enough then go valvoline 3) then go redline (as it is a bit more expensive) 4) then go m power last as it really is an unreliable source and I wouldn't want to depend on a discontinued oil whose future supply is unknown. But yeah understandable about not wanting to change filters so much, but it is cheap insurance for your engine so I would probably want to do it again before hitting the track. Street use should be fine but not for the track.
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Don't you have access to shell helix ultra as well? That is essentially the same thing as PPE (well some say PPE is the slightly watered down version of helix) but might even be a bit better.
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Also, Zinc has to stay in 900-1000ppm range. Too much Zinc is really not good for timing chain guides. And new API SP, updated LL approvals have timing chain tests. |
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But I do hope shell addresses flash point drops, and brings zinc as close to the 1k ppm range that would be nice (but since it is in the 900 range already I don't think that will change so hopefully it doesn't drop).
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I used to think that oil is oil. Synthetic is synthetic but you guys are talking like it’s fine wine. Actually more than that. |
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Cooling is ok stock, but if you tune it oil temps will be right up to limp mode.
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Once we are in 3.6-4cp category, unless endurance racing, it is more important what additives oil has and shear stability of an oil. Even 300V 5W40 is 4cp. And that thing is like bench mark of race oils. |
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1) The bumper openings are relatively small vs. the m2c and even m235i. 2) The large intercooler cuts a massive chunk out of the radiator. 3) The oil cooler is smaller than the s55 due to its mounting location and there really isn't much option for alternatives unless you mount one behind the grilles but that will be impossible for dct guys and it will really restrict flow to the already suffering radiator.
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Bcs. yes higher HTHS will offer better protection, but it will send engine to limp mode faster. I personally would go Redline 5W40 or Mobil1 5W50 as it has Porsche A40 and MB229.3 approvals. HTHS 4.4. I guess very low coolant concentration and heat at max and ventilation at max |
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Here's that UOA. I was forced to change this oil as part of BMWs service so it didn't get much use—the analyst seems almost annoyed that it was changed so quickly. Maybe I should stop checking the box saying I'm interested in extending usage (what's this for anyway?). Anyway, they also seem, again, to not be concerned about the shearing down and are saying go for 4 days. I'm going to try Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 next so we should have that for comparison.
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