[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Are you adding a 4th ///M?

Or parting ways with one of your stable?

Haha, I'm window shopping again, it's a problem. I do however think this M2 would be potentially one of the last small RWD BMWs available. The problem is that I just don't think I can make the jump to DCT, although the M2CS might be so good that I cave in. I just don't know how they'll make the next chassis RWD unless they borrow one from the 35UP family, which are generally bigger cars.

I just wouldn't know which current M to part with though. The E36 would be the most likely candidate, but makes no sense to sell as it's only worth low teens.

[W///]

Originally Posted by chmura

To me it wouldn't make sense for the CS to be DCT only. This is suppose to be a raw drivers car that follows the 1M recipe to a certain extent. Plus the development is done already. M4 has a manual, to me it would make no sense at all if the M2 CS did not offered in a manual.

I still strongly believe there will still be an manual offered. If not than I guess I have to pull my deposit and change it to the standard M2. Or get a GT4 since BMW dropped the ball offering their only fun drivers car in a DCT configuration. Seems like a step backwards for the purpose of the car.

I don't think that's quite how BMW intends to position the CS. It doed stand for Clubsport afterall. On the M4CS, if I'm not mistaken, it'll have aero, carbon ceramics and DCT only. It's not meant to be the pure driver's car like the 1M.

Unfortunately, the .2 GT3 being offered with both transmission choices is an anomaly

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

Haha, I'm window shopping again, it's a problem. I do however think this M2 would be potentially one of the last small RWD BMWs available. The problem is that I just don't think I can make the jump to DCT, although the M2CS might be so good that I cave in. I just don't know how they'll make the next chassis RWD unless they borrow one from the 35UP family, which are generally bigger cars.

I just wouldn't know which current M to part with though. The E36 would be the most likely candidate, but makes no sense to sell as it's only worth low teens.

Hmmmmm....well, you could always wait and see on the CS and pick up a used base M2 in the event DCT is too much to bear.

I will say that the DCT in my F80 is very fast and crisp in spirited driving, but it is also a little "clunky" in the lower speeds compared to the PDK in my 981. And I am still not quite acclimated to the different throttle settings, so sometimes when I take off, it can be a bit jerky. But that is more about me adjusting back to FI, a bigger, heavier car, etc...not so much the transmission itself.

My point being that you are uniquely situated in that you've got multiple ///M varieties that can whet your whistle, whatever mood you're in - I don't think you're going to mind the DCT that much.

[chmura]

The development of a manual M2 CS is already done since the transmission was originally developed for the S55 which the M2 CS is suppose to get. It would make zero sense if BMW did not please both sides to offer a manual transmission.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

no longer was it waiting for an LCI and just some tail lights. If this is true and is the replacement for the LCI, well, it's a different engine. I would say that's how. lol.

So a higher model that costs ~50% more is going to impact the price of the lower model? I doubt it. If they priced it closer, maybe; but there is absolutely no indication it will be less than US$75K... and plenty of indications it will be there or higher.

I am not sure about the rumours that it will replace the LCI... they are few and not well supported. But if it did, then the regular M2 would immediately stop depreciating.

[Advevo]

DCT is good. But i still prefer the manual. I pick a CS with a manual for sure.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't think that's quite how BMW intends to position the CS. It doed stand for Clubsport afterall.

I believe CS has historically stood for "Coupe Sport" at BMW.

Let's not forget that article from Auto Motors & Sport that speculated that BMW might use the CS model designation to replace the "Competition Package" option. I think that is still a possibility.

Originally Posted by W///

On the M4CS, if I'm not mistaken, it'll have aero, carbon ceramics and DCT only. It's not meant to be the pure driver's car like the 1M.

We don't know yet what will be included in the M4CS. Front lip, rear deck spoiler and GTS hood are the only things that seems pretty certain at this point. All the rest, such as CCB and DCT, are still pure speculation. I guess we should find out in about 7 days .

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by m34m

Wow thanks for that Mulder! What does Scully say? Just so we are clear is Ferrari, Maserati, Lambo, Aston and McLaren part of the conspiracy? Just so we all know when will they be "giving way" and bring back manuals?

Aston Martin never got rid of the manual transmission and is in fact committed to keeping manual transmissions available as long as there is a demand for it.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...antage-manual/

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Aston Martin never got rid of the manual transmission and is in fact committed to keeping manual transmissions available as long as there is a demand for it.

Key disclaimer highlighted in red/bold

[omasou]

I'm more interested in when the M2CS part numbers show up on realoem and hoping there are some nice BMW bolt-ons and wheels.

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by RBNetEngr

This post is very relevant. One of the repeated praises for the M2 is, as shipped from BMW, it has the right combination of suspension and power to make it a well-balanced car. If you've increased the power by 40-50hp, did you make any changes to the suspension to compensate? If not, why blame BMW?

And besides, the track is really the only place that you can reliably and safely use everything that the M2 comes with from BMW. I'm still at a loss to understand how many people line up power, brake, suspension mods, etc., as soon as they buy something like an M2. It's a car that comes from BMW way more capable than virtually any purchaser is (regardless of what you really believe about your driving capabilities). So, rather than spend thousands on a tune to gain some moderate HP, why not spend it on track time, so you can learn to drive it closer to the cars' capabilities?

-rb

I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say.

I'm saying that in stock form the car is perfect (although I have the dp and intercooler) but when the tune is on and I'm at 400hp + the car is not as compliant. so, if bmw do decide to push this car to 400hp+ then it would require some work on suspension, software - traction- and chassis tweaks, maybe.

I agree with what you wrote

Regarding spending money on track days, I don't think I need to do that!

[M2 CSL]

The S55 really does sound like shit huh?

Base M2 sound:

M2 CS sound:

I hope the final CS doesn't sound this much worse than the N55 version.

[medphysdave]

CS looks faster, and significantly more composed to my eye. I'll take the CS based upon the two videos. I'm sure I'll squeeze out every bit of performance on my 4mi City commute.

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

CS looks faster, and significantly more composed to my eye. I'll take the CS based upon the two videos. I'm sure I'll squeeze out every bit of performance on my 4mi City commute.

Probably just the weather. Definetly a nicer day when they tested the CS.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

CS looks faster, and significantly more composed to my eye. I'll take the CS based upon the two videos. I'm sure I'll squeeze out every bit of performance on my 4mi City commute.

That M2 CS video was definitely sped up a bit. It looks unrealistically fast through some of those corners when compared to the base car.

Am I the only one who thinks that. Also, the CS is still pretty playful. It was sliding around a little bit. I like it.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

So a higher model that costs ~50% more is going to impact the price of the lower model? I doubt it. If they priced it closer, maybe; but there is absolutely no indication it will be less than US$75K... and plenty of indications it will be there or higher.

I am not sure about the rumours that it will replace the LCI... they are few and not well supported. But if it did, then the regular M2 would immediately stop depreciating.

I think the opposite. They'll be considered the same cars and one won't be as desirable.

But I'll take the M2 CS to replace my sedan track warrior that's out of place lol

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by Gatte

There's still hope. Production is scheduled for 03/17. There's a few more months to test a manual version of the car as well.

That rumor about someone seeing this car with a manual transmission appears to have been just that... A rumor.

I won't get a CS if no 6MT. I would rather have a less powerful base M2. I know the DCT is faster, but it is just not the same driving experience. JMO

[nd2002]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Page 4 and not one mention of M-mirrors?

No "But but TTRS..." either, I noticed

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Gatte

That M2 CS video was definitely sped up a bit. It looks unrealistically fast through some of those corners when compared to the base car.

Am I the only one who thinks that. Also, the CS is still pretty playful. It was sliding around a little bit. I like it.

If the M2CS is shod with PSC2, it can make a big difference in cornering speed relative to the base M2.

[m4282]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

If the M2CS is shod with PSC2, it can make a big difference in cornering speed relative to the base M2.

Looks like the camera zooming in and out causes that impact - but I will say thanks again to the s55 if that is that engine and it's crazy low end torque the chassis is again squirming and wiggling- if the m4 has this issue I can only imagine how it would be in the m2cs esp with the shorter wheelbase....

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Key disclaimer highlighted in red/bold

It's the same exact words as the BMW disclaimer .. : same playbook!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I believe CS has historically stood for "Coupe Sport" at BMW.

Let's not forget that article from Auto Motors & Sport that speculated that BMW might use the CS model designation to replace the "Competition Package" option. I think that is still a possibility.

We don't know yet what will be included in the M4CS. Front lip, rear deck spoiler and GTS hood are the only things that seems pretty certain at this point. All the rest, such as CCB and DCT, are still pure speculation. I guess we should find out in about 7 days .

When the 1M came out towards the end of the 1 series production and it had the updated headlights and tail lights.

Following history , I presume that the M2 will get these items as the CS is being introduced and brought to market next year

The M2 life cycle is much shorter than the M3/M4 ... which have actually had separate, staggered LCI updates.