[damills]

I am first on the list at my dealership, if they still only offer option 704 instead of HK srround sound or better, I will just get a 228i/230i or m235i/m240i or whatever they maybe called at that time

[DVC]

Originally Posted by damills

I am first on the list at my dealership, if they still only offer option 704 instead of HK srround sound or better, I will just get a 228i/230i or m235i/m240i or whatever they maybe called at that time

So... you're really only interested in the audio options available on the M2??

[LDSM]

Originally Posted by damills

I am first on the list at my dealership, if they still only offer option 704 instead of HK srround sound or better, I will just get a 228i/230i or m235i/m240i or whatever they maybe called at that time

The radio?

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by DVC

So... you're really only interested in the audio options available on the M2??

Wait... he can't be serious.

He's going to choose M240i vs M2 based on the... audio system?

to each his own, I guess.

[Colinv6]

That is a bit strange tbh, so you'll forfeit the M2 to go for a lesser model which will also have the sound system you didn't want in the M2....

[PackPride85]

If I was going on sound system I'd buy an Acura.

[Bemo]

Dude - invest in an audiophile system at home and get the M2. 3-4 grand will get you some decent floor standing speakers, an integrated amplifier, get some decent Kimber or AudioQuest interconnects and speaker cables and a decent CD player and have fun! You're welcome. .

[bluekn8286]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

Performance results better than:

.95 g
115 mph trap
105 ft 60-0

Should be easy for BMW engineers to attain this.

Performance results better than those would keep you from getting the M2? I think you meant "worse than"

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Hmm...let me think a flat plane crank 5.2L V8 revving over 8,000 or a tuned N55?

The tuned N55 will not disappoint.

As for you're V8, it's not everything.

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

It's a likely a typo but I will ask my dealers tech to confirm as that's an egregious typo. You can't just bolt on a multi link, it requires substantial engineering and the GTS is mostly a packaging exercise.

Did you ever get any more info on this? Does the Cayman have multi-link as the brochure states, or is it a typo?

[DVC]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

Did you ever get any more info on this? Does the Cayman have multi-link as the brochure states, or is it a typo?

I looked into it as well... Porsche did not reply to my email asking them to confirm it based on the brochure info. And on their website, they make no mention of multi-link rear in any of the Cayman GTS tech specs (suspension specs and details are the same as the other Cayman models), whereas the 911 tech specs include several mentions of rear multi-link, as well as detailed info on how much of an improvement it is.

[sdpauly]

Yeah, I emailed my salesperson as well, asking him to look into it.

Maybe it's a typo, but I'm holding out hope it's not.

[sdpauly]

I got a response from my SA at one of my local Porsche dealers. This was his answer regarding the 'multi-link' rear suspension in the Cayman.

"The rear suspension is a little of both but would be considered more multi-link. The strut has the shocks and springs but doesn't support the outer section, or wheel as defined by a strut."

I asked him if he had any diagrams or pictures that might show the differences. But, it would seem that the Cayman (the GTS at least, I didn't ask about the 981 platform as a whole) does in fact have a multi-link rear suspension.

While I'm sure the 991 rear-end is more sophisticated than the 981 it would seem the Cayman rear-end is not as inferior as previously discussed.

[whoosh]

981 rear suspension setup:

[vantagesc]

There is a lower control arm but that doesn't make it a multi-link. Haven't had time to talk to my dealer. There are subscription websites where you can download the diagrams. Porsche themselves call the Cayman suspension a strut type and I have seen the diagrams. Front and rear are very similar. The real question is whether Gts is same as the S model.

It seems you are trying to not let this ruin your purchasing experience. Either way it won't matter as you mention that you don't track.

[sdpauly]

I don't think it will ruin my purchasing experience either way. I'd just like for the correct information to be posted.

Porsche calls the rear suspension on the 981 'multi-link' (at least on the GTS literature) both in print and on their web page. Nobody is saying it's the same kind of rear end as a 991, but saying it's 'not multi-link' seems to be incorrect.

Just trying to keep to the facts.

[gtr]

I remember people joke how the 981 front suspension in the rear. I hope the GT4 is setup as true mid engine 911 without Porsche holding it back in terms of driving dynamics, handling and handling feel. Make it a manual and less hp so it's slower than the GT3 is acceptable, as long as its faster in the corners I'm satisfied.

As for the thread the cars that I may consider over the M2 depending on specs are.
1. Cayman GT4
2. Ford Mustang GT350R
3. New BMW/Toyota Supra
4. Focus RS
5. RS3
6. Lancer Evolution Special Action model

Factor such as collectability and bang for buck will determine my choice.

[vantagesc]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

I don't think it will ruin my purchasing experience either way. I'd just like for the correct information to be posted.

Porsche calls the rear suspension on the 981 'multi-link' (at least on the GTS literature) both in print and on their web page. Nobody is saying it's the same kind of rear end as a 991, but saying it's 'not multi-link' seems to be incorrect.

Just trying to keep to the facts.

Until someone can confirm the Gts has a different suspension than an S model, I'm not ready to conclude the Gts has a multi-link. Just based on what I've seen of the S and Porsche's own characterizations. Seems to be more of a typo. I have a deposit down for a GT4 so it's not like I want the car to have a strut rear. We shall see once we get to the bottom of this.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by gtr

I remember people joke how the 981 front suspension in the rear. I hope the GT4 is setup as true mid engine 911 without Porsche holding it back in terms of driving dynamics, handling and handling feel. Make it a manual and less hp so it's slower than the GT3 is acceptable, as long as its faster in the corners I'm satisfied.

As for the thread the cars that I may consider over the M2 depending on specs are.
1. Cayman GT4
2. Ford Mustang GT350R
3. New BMW/Toyota Supra
4. Focus RS
5. RS3
6. Lancer Evolution Special Action model

Factor such as collectability and bang for buck will determine my choice.

Interesting list - price range is all over the map. Why no 911 gts?

[W///]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

Interesting list - price range is all over the map. Why no 911 gts?

+1. Some of the cars cost double of each other.

My hard limit is set at $55k with a few options for me personally. I still can't think of a car I'd want more than the M2. The GT350 is probably off my list because I want something that's more of a replacement for my smallish E36 M3. Also not looking for something with a V8.

The Supra is definitely enticing to me. I really love the idea of trying something completely new. That car and the M2 are what really have my attention. Oh and maybe a Z3M if they come out with that.

P.S. I wasn't sure about this car before, but I really warmed up to its looks:

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by W///

+1. Some of the cars cost double of each other.

My hard limit is set at $55k with a few options for me personally. I still can't think of a car I'd want more than the M2. The GT350 is probably off my list because I want something that's more of a replacement for my smallish E36 M3. Also not looking for something with a V8.

The Supra is definitely enticing to me. I really love the idea of trying something completely new. That car and the M2 are what really have my attention. Oh and maybe a Z3M if they come out with that.

P.S. I wasn't sure about this car before, but I really warmed up to its looks:

I didn't realize the Mustang was that much bigger: foot longer, 6" wider, 170 lbs heavier.


M235i 2dr RWD Coupe
Length 175.9 "
Body width 69.8 "
Body height 55.4 "
Wheelbase 105.9 "
Curb 3,535 lbs.


"
GT Premium 2dr Fastback (hopefully the GT350 is a little lighter)

Length 188.3 "
Body width 75.4 "
Body height 54.4 "
Wheelbase 107.1 "
Curb 3705


Do you really think the supra is going to look like that? If so do you think it'll be in that 55k range?

[W///]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

I didn't realize the Mustang was that much bigger: foot longer, 6" wider, 170 lbs heavier.


M235i 2dr RWD Coupe
Length 175.9 "
Body width 69.8 "
Body height 55.4 "
Wheelbase 105.9 "
Curb 3,535 lbs.


"
GT Premium 2dr Fastback (hopefully the GT350 is a little lighter)

Length 188.3 "
Body width 75.4 "
Body height 54.4 "
Wheelbase 107.1 "
Curb 3705


Do you really think the supra is going to look like that? If so do you think it'll be in that 55k range?

I sat in a regular V8 model and crossed it off my list immediately (didn't even bother asking for a test drive). It's not even comparable to the 2 series. If you guys think the F80 M3 feels big, then this was absolutely massive. What I didn't understand was why the car so big. Yes, it has a huge trunk, but the rear seats are about useless as a 911's:


Why make a car so big, but have it essentially be a 2 seater?

As for the Supra, I have no idea what it's going to look like. And it'll probably be $65k. I'm keeping an open mind though. On one hand, it'll be something completely different driving than anything most of us have ever owned (look at how many people love the i8 for example). On the other hand, I DIY a lot, and those days would most likely be over with a car like that.

Keep in mind that the next car is something I plan to add to the E92 M3, so I definitely wouldn't mind a crazy driving experience. I've got 2-3 years before I pull the trigger, so I'm not committing to anything yet. I'm just trying to stay as realistic (so no Ferraris or new Porsches ect...)