Automatic vs Manual

keylime503 · 06-01-2021, 12:57 PM

I have a very peculiar reason for preferring 6MT (among other reasons of course):

In the F-generation cars, BMW puts a ton of cheap looking black plastic around the ZF8/DCT knob in the center console. With the 6MT, that cheap looking black plastic is replaced with either black leather or alcantara with colored stitching. Looks 10x more premium imo.

R0me · 06-01-2021, 09:34 PM

I had a m135i with manual, it was okay. Nothing special abour the bmw manual transmission, but too many downsides to it for me to choose it again.

So I choose the dkg in the m2 comp. Still a few downsides to the dkg, must notable that when lifting the throttle it takes some moments to let of the gas unlike manual cars.

Gearing is bad, 4,5,6 is too short/close.
Synchros are weak, and I had to pay out myself for a new refurbished transmission. Though m2 trans is stronger.
There is throttle delay when wot after shifting.
1 gear lockout, from neutral.
Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it.

Steelguin · 06-01-2021, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R0me

I had a m135i with manual, it was okay. Nothing special abour the bmw manual transmission, but too many downsides to it for me to choose it again.

So I choose the dkg in the m2 comp. Still a few downsides to the dkg, must notable that when lifting the throttle it takes some moments to let of the gas unlike manual cars.

Gearing is bad, 4,5,6 is too short/close.
Synchros are weak, and I had to pay out myself for a new refurbished transmission. Though m2 trans is stronger.
There is throttle delay when wot after shifting.
1 gear lockout, from neutral.
Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it.

You need to take yours in and have it looked at.
I have none of these issues.

Steelguin · 06-02-2021, 02:41 PM

Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it.

this is about the most ridiculous thing I have read today.

DanG · 06-02-2021, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelguin

Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it.

this is about the most ridiculous thing I have read today.

Any one who has driven a DCT knows ROme’s statement is not true. A DCT has super fast shifting.

Steelguin · 06-02-2021, 03:10 PM

the shifting is just about imperceptible. I don't know what he's expecting

chris719 · 06-02-2021, 04:11 PM

Guys, I think it's just weirdly formatted. He's complaining about the manual in a 135, not DCT.

Maynard · 06-02-2021, 06:53 PM

Using that shift-intensity button is the key - in full intensity it does a very good job in D-mode even on track, and definitely juices up the whole trip around town. In low-mode it feels more like a regular auto trans car because the motor almost never gets past about 2500rpm. I wanted to track mine, so DCT is a big plus.

Jimjamz · 06-06-2021, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by keylime503

I have a very peculiar reason for preferring 6MT (among other reasons of course):

In the F-generation cars, BMW puts a ton of cheap looking black plastic around the ZF8/DCT knob in the center console. With the 6MT, that cheap looking black plastic is replaced with either black leather or alcantara with colored stitching. Looks 10x more premium imo.

Interesting - I've found the opposite. The brushed metal around the DCT shifter echoes the brushed metal around the tray surrounds and the steering wheel inlay (I've replaced mine with a gloss carbon MPE version in this photo). It's something I really enjoy about the design and is both deliberate and understated (like most functional/understated German design).

KevinC · 06-06-2021, 04:14 AM

Davil · 06-07-2021, 12:11 AM

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Both manual and DCT in the M2 have similar software to prevent them rolling back. Both will roll backwards after a few seconds though unlike an auto, which won't ever roll back or a proper manual that will do so immediately.

chris719 · 06-07-2021, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Both manual and DCT in the M2 have similar software to prevent them rolling back. Both will roll backwards after a few seconds though unlike an auto, which won't ever roll back or a proper manual that will do so immediately.

That's engineered behavior in both cases. It's of no consequence in comparing whether a transmission can shift by itself or not. PDK does not roll back quite like DCT and it also creeps like more conventional automatics, btw.

Proper manual? Hill hold does not make something an automatic. You are so biased it is absurd. It's OK to admit to yourself that DCT is automatic, we won't tell anyone.

It's not a dirty word. I don't own an M2 at the moment, so I don't have any stake in this personally, just being logical about it.

KevinC · 06-07-2021, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Both manual and DCT in the M2 have similar software to prevent them rolling back. Both will roll backwards after a few seconds though unlike an auto, which won't ever roll back or a proper manual that will do so immediately.

It was a meme dude

Davil · 06-07-2021, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinC

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Originally Posted by Davil

Both manual and DCT in the M2 have similar software to prevent them rolling back. Both will roll backwards after a few seconds though unlike an auto, which won't ever roll back or a proper manual that will do so immediately.

It was a meme dude

And...? You posted it. Please explain the point.

Davil · 06-07-2021, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davil

Both manual and DCT in the M2 have similar software to prevent them rolling back. Both will roll backwards after a few seconds though unlike an auto, which won't ever roll back or a proper manual that will do so immediately.

That's engineered behavior in both cases. It's of no consequence in comparing whether a transmission can shift by itself or not. PDK does not roll back quite like DCT and it also creeps like more conventional automatics, btw.

Proper manual? Hill hold does not make something an automatic. You are so biased it is absurd. It's OK to admit to yourself that DCT is automatic, we won't tell anyone.

It's not a dirty word. I don't own an M2 at the moment, so I don't have any stake in this personally, just being logical about it.

Yes. You don't have an M2. Any reason for being here? I get that Americans have just discovered manual transmissions a decade or so after they were relevant. I still love the old ones very much which is why I have two of them. You should find a fun old car. They really are fun. Then you can stop posting manure.

chris719 · 06-07-2021, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Yes. You don't have an M2. Any reason for being here? I get that Americans have just discovered manual transmissions a decade or so after they were relevant. I still love the old ones very much which is why I have two of them. You should find a fun old car. They really are fun. Then you can stop posting manure.

Why are you incapable of basic logic and reason?

KevinC · 06-07-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Davil

And...? You posted it. Please explain the point.

Humor. If that went over your head somehow, I don't know what to tell you.

AZ-Wildcat · 06-07-2021, 01:49 PM

I proudly own a 7 speed AUTOMATIC.

Davil · 06-08-2021, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davil

Yes. You don't have an M2. Any reason for being here? I get that Americans have just discovered manual transmissions a decade or so after they were relevant. I still love the old ones very much which is why I have two of them. You should find a fun old car. They really are fun. Then you can stop posting manure.

Why are you incapable of basic logic and reason?

Ditto.

Sublime00 · 07-10-2021, 07:22 AM

According to this a DCT is an automatic lol.

Lokguru · 07-10-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime00

According to this a DCT is an automatic lol.

Haven't see this video.. like the information.

pawelczyk7 · 07-10-2021, 09:15 PM

manual fun factor = 10 DCT fun factor = 7 at best and i don't think there is even a debate for these cars ! THAT SAID, if you are talking drag racing or the best lap time on a road course then the DCT is going to win that argument. Time is ticking on cars you can even get with manual so enjoy while you still can.

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R0me Enlisted Member 12 Rep 32 Posts Drives: M2 comp Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Denmark iTrader: (0)	I had a m135i with manual, it was okay. Nothing special abour the bmw manual transmission, but too many downsides to it for me to choose it again. So I choose the dkg in the m2 comp. Still a few downsides to the dkg, must notable that when lifting the throttle it takes some moments to let of the gas unlike manual cars. Gearing is bad, 4,5,6 is too short/close. Synchros are weak, and I had to pay out myself for a new refurbished transmission. Though m2 trans is stronger. There is throttle delay when wot after shifting. 1 gear lockout, from neutral. Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it.
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Steelguin Lieutenant 662 Rep 511 Posts Drives: 2021 M2C HHS/DCT Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Socal iTrader: (0)	Gearbox fights against you when you shift as fast as possible, so no really fast shifts, though I have seen some people being able to do it. this is about the most ridiculous thing I have read today.
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chris719 Major General 7535 Rep 7,472 Posts Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	Guys, I think it's just weirdly formatted. He's complaining about the manual in a 135, not DCT.
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pawelczyk7 Second Lieutenant 144 Rep 244 Posts Drives: 2020 bmw m2 comp 6spd Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: ny iTrader: (0)	manual fun factor = 10 DCT fun factor = 7 at best and i don't think there is even a debate for these cars ! THAT SAID, if you are talking drag racing or the best lap time on a road course then the DCT is going to win that argument. Time is ticking on cars you can even get with manual so enjoy while you still can.
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