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+1. This. Well, I don't have a Porsche, but I have other more expensive (than the M2) cars and could get a more expensive car. The LBB with that interior works for me. Wouldn't mind a CF roof and some other stuff, but meh. It looks fun.
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I can't imagine being that clueless... Using said " logic" Apparently the only reason BMW makes a 2 series is for people that can't afford a 4 series. And the only reason that BMW makes a 6 series is for the people that can't afford a 4 series. And the only reason that BMW makes a 5 series is for people that can't afford a 7 series. Apparently, it's a damn good thing we all don't make the same money or there would only be one BMW model. |
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Fair enough.
It'll be a great car and a blast to drive. No doubt about that. Though I doubt it'll be better than the likes of a Cayman. Limited color choices is a negative in my mind - as I've own BSM and MG cars and white and LBB do nothing for me.
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03-05-2016, 08:06 AM | #158 | |
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I agree. I wish we lived in a completely unrealistic world where the entire BMW lineup was modular and all the components of each series could be ordered ad hoc and you could make some Frankenstein car. I never understood the correlation between car size and price and options availability. You should be able to order the engine, the chassis, the seats, etc all independently and have BMW assemble it for you. If you wanted to pay for a M5 engine and M4 seats and put in a M2 body you should be able to if you are willing to pay. Hell you should be able to get front parking sensors in a M2 if you wanted them and you are willing to pay too. As long as you pay for it I don't see whymitmreally matters. Give us the option. I know this is unrealistic but Hopefully you get the point. A completely modular system where you order what you want regardless of car size. Don't roast me people, I know it could never happen. |
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03-05-2016, 11:45 AM | #159 | |
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Are there buyers that are the exception to the rule? Of course there are, but exceptions dont change the rule. X1 buyers buy the X1 mainly because they cant afford an X5. If they were both the same price no one would buy the X1 aside from the exception to the rule. Its the same thing with M cars. When you start to use verbiage like "the only reason" it shows that perhaps you are missing the bigger picture. |
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I just recently bought an X1 because I sold my 2005 Expedition. I didnt buy an X5 (sized vehicle) not because I couldn't afford it, but because i didn't want such a large vehicle and I also don't need to keep similar fuel economy. It's just me and my kiddo has gone to college. Since you feel that buying decisions are primarily predicated on disposable income it shows that YOU are missing the larger picture. Clueless indeed ! |
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Again, exception to the rule. As you go up in series you generally speaking get more luxury, performance and technology (hence the higher price point). Am i really having this debate right now? M3/M4 offers more in the department of performance, luxury, size and technology as such it costs more. YES there are some (small market) that prefer a smaller car or for what every reason want less performance, but the M2 is made for the market that isnt financially in the market for an M4. You are in denial if you believe other wise. Do yo believe if all BMWs were price the same more people wouldnt buy a 7 series vs 3 series? |
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It sells because BMW decided to make an product that targeted the entry level SUV (ish) market, or in other works people who couldnt afford the X3 let alone the X5. The X1 sales didnt cannibalise X5 sales |
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In the same vein, I do not agree that the M4/M3 necessarily, let alone obviously as you say, "offer more" than the M2. Sometimes, for some people, less is more, and quite independent of price. |
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I think it very difficult for the luxury, status, non-enthusiast BMW buyer to understand that the smaller less luxurious, simpler car with the lower number has more appeal to many enthusiasts.
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I dont know but a lot of people say thats why the M2 is better than the M4 but then I see some of the same people praise the longer wheelbase of the 911 R vs the standard....
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My guess is the 911 R has a few additional tweaks that make it more agile than the shorter wheelbase models.
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Other than the 4.7" shorter wheelbase, everything about the car seems very similar as far as things affecting agility or nimbleness is concerned. That's why I'd like someone to explain what could possily account for that? Throttle response? One explanation that makes sense is that the preproduction M2s driven by every reviewer weighs signficant less than the 25lb difference to the M4 as quoted by BMW.
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