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If you want to have a retail channel IC sent to me, I have another track weekend coming up in Jan. and can compare on back to back days like I did in my ATM and Wagner Evo 2 Comp Comparison. Same track as that comparison too. A good metric to look at in addition to the charge air cooler temps is the average top speed on the straights there, as that directly relates to lap times. |
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12-13-2018, 02:14 AM | #156 | |
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The important question is if the gain is significant enough that it justifies the higher cost. Because at the end of the day if it's only a few degrees of difference that's not worth it in my books. That couple hundred dollars over time with intercooler replacements could be invested in a water injection kit that'll make a larger impact on iats. However if the temperature difference is >10°C that's really significant in my books and will justify the price delta. That TUV standard is an Excellent achievement so I applaud you on that, but a lifetime warranty should help negate that if build quality was a concern. - I love CSF don't get me wrong, I love your radiators and your oil coolers, but I'm not rich so I'd like to be able to utilize every dollar I have to the best of it's buying ability, instead of wasting it. As you know tracking a car properly with track insurance and everything is really expensive. |
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12-13-2018, 03:08 AM | #157 | |
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As the 'debate' rages in the rest of the thread, I remember something similar with the IC on the R53 Mini. Various aftermarket suppliers were claiming improvements based on increased size and design details of their products, then BMW brought out the GP. The IC on that used the same design as the original, but with the addition of a few extra rows (and longer end pieces to suit). While this minimised production costs, testing showed it to flow better, and result in a bigger drop in temperature than not just the original item, but also the aftermarket offerings. |
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12-13-2018, 05:37 AM | #159 |
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Also in all due respect, since CSF has sold 32 million intercoolers world wide shouldn't that mean you guys have hit product economy of scale? So shouldn't you guys be able to offer these intercoolers for a cheaper price minus the BMW tax? Like I would love to have a CSF intercooler but replacement costs frighten me.
But for everything else such as oil coolers and radiators (safe from rock damage mostly) where there is a clear edge in performance I am more than happy to go with CSF. |
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12-13-2018, 06:16 AM | #160 | |
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go look at the pricing of AFE,Wagner,Dinan and ER they all way more expensive, CSF is a premium brand they could have easily charged 900 dollars for the product (like Mishimoto has after the presale special is over, that even with the discount is more expensive)
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12-13-2018, 06:38 AM | #161 | |
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I've heard (don't quote me on this) that the other intercoolers you listed above were inferior at keeping iats stable compared to the vrsf and CSF but lack of head to head conparision of intercoolers on the same car and day limit us on data. Also remember dinan offers a factory replacement warranty as well, but their dual split core design from what I've heard blocks alot of air flow to the radiator. I normally always advocate for spending the money to get the better quality part and never cheaping out. But in this case I'm not willing to go all out on a part i treat as a consumable due to frequent damage and replacement. So on this situation I would go with the best performance/$ to best match track performance to my budget for replacement. If I lived in a sunny climate where they don't put gravel know the road then you can sure bet I would go all out and buy the best one possible, but it's not a financially smart move for me imo. Especially if a cheaper IC performs as good or a few degrees worse. Guess we will have to see from the data. Sooner or later my m2 will be my dedicated track car and then I'll go all out, but untill then I still enjoy driving it on the street (not My DD). |
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12-13-2018, 11:34 AM | #162 | |
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All Wagner intercoolers are TUV approved.
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12-14-2018, 01:29 PM | #163 |
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Seeking advice...
I have a 2018 N55 M2, 6mt, I just added a Fabspeed Sport Cat and will install a Dinan sport tune (the cheaper one that is essentially a boost controller) next week. I want to know whether an upgraded IC is a must, a good idea, or not needed. I live in the Phoenix area where its 60 degrees or higher nearly everyday of the year with a good 4 months of that being 100+ daily. Stock, the car felt a little slower and ran out of breath at higher RPMs when temps were 100+. When the weather cooled down (to the 50's at night, 70's during day) the car started to feel faster, which makes me believe the heat played a material role in the car feeling slower. The car runs excellent with just the DP, I'm assuming it'll run ever harder with the dinan sport tuner, but at what point will I need an IC? Now, or will I only truly need it when the temps heat up? I don't plan to go to a bigger turbo, and I'm not planning any other mods on top of the DP, tune, and IC. I read through this thread and several others but would still like to hear from those with more experience than me... What IC would be a good choice? This VRSF HD for $341 appears to be the best deal out there right now: https://x-ph.com/vr-speed-vrsf-f-cha...gh-density-hd/ Is this my best choice for the $$$? The next step up is the VRSF Race for $629, but is that overkill for my setup? I'm open to any brand and any seller. Thanks! |
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^Also, I would like something simple to install, the VRSF HD above is plug & play (I think) while the Race and other larger ICs require some cutting and maybe more.
Anyone install something like the VRSF HD themselves at home? Pretty simple? |
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12-14-2018, 01:32 PM | #165 | |
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An intercooler is a must for you. If you are keeping the Dinan sport tune, the VRSF intercooler would be a good choice. You can make a lot more power by getting a stage 2 tune like JB4, Bootmod3 or Active Autowerke flash. In this case you i recommend a stage 2 intercooler like VRSF Race, CSF or Wagner EVO II
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All F chassis intercoolers are considered plug and play.
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Do you think a chargepipe is needed too? |
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Yes Charge Pipe is always needed when tuning your car.
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Hey Mike, I have a Fabspeed sport cat DP on my N55 M2, I plan on throwing on a Dinan big turbo soon, and a tune (don't know which yet), but my question is, which intercooler would be best for that setup? Thanks in advance...
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Has anyone gotten code 102001 "Air mass too high" after installing a FMIC? I got this about an hour after installing my CSF FMIC and VRSF CP.
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Did you install all of the o rings in the charge pipe?
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I recommend a 6" intercooler, Wagner EVO II, VRSF Race & CSF are all good options.
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