09-23-2020, 08:25 AM | #1651 |
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Looks great AVM. I might have to spend some money. Do the coil-overs come with camber plates? I track my car and would want that for more camber on track days.
Also, how much drop was that? Looks great but I'd likely not go for quite as much.
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Regarding camber settings, the technician who worked on my car was top-notch and a tracker himself. He 'educated' me on the camber settings and, at the end of the day, convinced me that - unless I were tracking the vehicle - he would set camber to stock neutrality with coilover drop factored into the settings. Without my routine tracking, track-oriented camber settings would produce awkward road handling and uneven tire wear. This is a long way of stating that whatever came with the coilover package allowed the technician to dial-in the camber settings. I could ask, but do not know what the camber settings are number-wise. The process of dialing-in the height was very labor-intensive, requiring my presence and multiple drops of the rig for assessment, then reloading and removal of wheels to adjust settings. It took about 2 hours of tweaking to get height 'perfect.' Of note, as the technician also informed me, there is a reason the front gap is so much larger than the rear gap from factory, and it was ill-advised to try and 'level' the front and rear out perfectly. So, grossly, the front and rear gaps on my beast look pretty level, but we did retain some of the factory offset as to not disrupt the driving dynamics. I do not know what the drop 'settings' are at each wheel? The adjustments are 'twists' of the threads and we were gauging height, not twists - keeping in mind the front-to-rear offset from factory that needed to be largely respected and maintained. Finally, one of the hardest things to do is capture the M2C in photos that reflect its appearance in person. The fender-to-wheel gap is probably tops on the list. What I can tell is that I do not like anything remotely close to 'slammed.' If you saw my beast in person you would quickly appreciate the drop is not even close to slammed. Very conservative, but aesthetically effective drop. ///AVM |
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09-23-2020, 10:00 AM | #1654 |
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It looks like the MPE is a pricey portion of that. I wonder who it's sourced from. The Dinan exhaust is about half the price.
But I need to understand doing the mods to a leased car.
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Congrats AVM!! Looks amazing and sure tempts many of us to go drop some coin! Also seems like you had a really good tech, which made for an even better outcome and experience. Enjoy!
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Personally, I do not lease my cars and would never invest in mods if I did . . . that being said, I do not typically keep my cars very long, so I know I took a hit with the mods. Ok, for real this time, I am done with the mods. The beast is tweaked perfectly to MY liking . . . famous last words. ///AVM |
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The tech was fantastic. Knowledgeable and a perfectionist. He spent an hour getting the left front drop to perfectly match the right front drop . . . which was only off by 5mm after 3-4 adjustments. He would not accept the 5mm imperfection. Regarding the 'coin,' yes, we pay to play the car enthusiast game. Then, to make things worse, we gather on forums and entice one another further. I think I will actually get to claim JCZ5 as a dependent on my tax return this year. ///AVM |
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So, just took the beast out for some backroad enthusiasm. Got in 20-25 miles.
Yes, I realize $11K is not insignificant, but it was worth every penny. Acoustics fantastic. . . stock acoustics were already great, but MPE just makes it better. I was a huge pundit of aftermarket exhausts going in, so I'm going take my medicine and say I was wrong about MPE. Cannot speak for other aftermarket systems. I had no idea what the MP coilovers were going to do when it came to ride and handling. Anyone on fence needs to get off. The beast rides softer, feels lighter and handling is much tighter. Is it a 718 CGTS? Fuck no. However, it feels like it shed about 200-300lbs. I cannot imagine anyone would not consider the coilovers a worthwhile investment. . . and this does not even take into account the aesthetic improvement, which is now spot-on according to my taste. ///AVM |
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My thoughts exactly. I've been saying there's always a compromise when dialing in a performance-oriented suspension like coilovers. If aesthetics are prioritized when reducing the front gap and increasing negative camber, your car won't be as street-friendly as stock. It's as simple as that. Frankly, I can't for the love of me figure out why anyone would want aggressive negative camber on a street car. It won't help anyone corner faster, I can promise you that. If somebody does it for the "cool" factor and is ok with the trade-offs, then more power to them. I laugh whenever I see a street car with caved-in wheels from too much negative camber. It looks terrible IMO, but to each his own. I will go as far and say that the drop on these cars is not suppose to be "even" gap-wise. This held true back in the e36/e46 M3 era, as well. The only reason why the gap appears more pronounced when lowered is because it's easier to tell where the fender meets the tire. BMW recommended settings are probably the safest bet and that's what I plan on sticking with when I install my MPC. |
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///AVM is slowly trying to convince me, but I just thinking doing the coilovers plus spacers is a lot of work. Especially when I swap tires for summer / winter. I know spacers are not a big issue. But I would prefer not to have them
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I do not know all of the ins-and-outs pertaining to the impact spacers place on performance? In doing my forum 'homework' a couple things became apparent to me. (1) 10mm spacers are relatively small and impart no significant 'risk' toward form or function. (2) You want to get a quality product. As far as I could tell based on feedback available, Burger makes the best spacers on market . . . and you pay for them. I believe the four, 10mm spacers came out to about $210. The above stated, my inclusion of the spacers were purely an aesthetic endeavor. I observed the drop with and without the spacers and, even though only 10mm, the overall aesthetic was visually significant and improved with the them vs without them. For ME, having the tread just inside the fender and sidewall bulge just outside the fender is ideal and what the spacers accomplished. I believe you can see that clearly in one of my pics from original post on the topic. ///AVM |
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Wheels with proper offsets are always the better option IMO. I say try it. Experiment. I may give a shot again, but knowing myself, I probably won't be able to live with it. Mechanically, I'm very anal and touchy about these things. Adding spacers does change the feel of how the car rides and handles. And no, widening the track with spacers does not always result in a better handling car. That's a myth. Are spacers detrimental in any way? - Yes, technically they are. To what degree is debatable because driving habits play a role. More strain on the wheel bearings. Physics. Last edited by j23; 09-23-2020 at 02:34 PM.. |
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I know a lot of you like to 'look under the hood,' so to speak.
One of the nice things about my local dealership is that the technician sends texts with photos as he moved through the job. Very nice touch, but I am more about the end-product than seeing the process. At any rate, for those interested in seeing some of the coilover install process, I have attached a few pics provided to me. Please note I did not put the pics in any order corresponding to steps in the process. Regarding the exhaust, I provide only one pic of the boxed MPE. One thing you realize quickly is that the MPE muffler is MUCH taller than the stock muffler, but not nearly as wide. ///AVM |
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What a wonderful tech you have. Most dont even see/know their customers. Where is the dealer? West Virginia some place?
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