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At any rate, to each his own - not knocking anyone's DCT choice (as long as they don't publicly lament that they actually wanted manual but their spouse made them choose DCT ). We'll all be out of time soon anyway, forced out of manual and DCT choices into a slushbox-only world, at least until we get the steering wheel taken away too.
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08-06-2018, 11:00 PM | #134 |
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This may be a dumb question but I just picked up the DCT, is there any harm downshifting into first while the car is still moving or rolling like a manual would?
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08-06-2018, 11:57 PM | #135 |
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I have seen people recommend against it, but I have not seen any data to back up it's bad. It definitely is a harsher rev match so I stopped doing it and just let it coast from 2nd to a stop.
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08-07-2018, 12:37 AM | #138 | |
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I do downshift if I have to stop immediately but not all the way down to 1st gear, I find that unnecessary and way to aggressive for daily driving. Even from a dead stop, you will find the system will allow you to start from 2nd gear unless u are facing up-hill as it promotes saving a bit of energy. I understand the animosity towards DCT’s. But if you educate yourself and not let ignorance prevail, it is really just a better manual tranny. An easier, faster dual clutch transmission where you can throw in auto mode whenever you feel like it, but it is more expensive. I remember how the E90’s 92’s M3 DCTs are when you start the car it always starts in manual mode and not in auto but they change that the following model to avoid confusion for never-manual users. |
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You've ruined me. I am forever now going to be thinking about gnomes in the transmission. Possibly even talking to them.
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I do like the shifter I do not like the clutch |
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08-07-2018, 08:59 AM | #142 |
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Hmm, I'm afraid you need to go back a little ways, but my pick would be an E36 M3 with the non-overdrive 5 speed. Good clutch feel, tight shifter, and no CDV.
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For me the M2 MT shifter is the best compared to all the predecessors. My only Porsche MT experience is the 981 GT4, very good shifter indeed, but the clutch way to heavy , I also used to own a 981 Cayman GTS, PDK, that PDK was just out of this world IMO! |
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What is weird is that the E46 M3 and Z4M for example share a lot of characteristics in shift quality, yet the M3 box is made by Getrag and the Z4M box is made by ZF. I guess BMW really is specifying the behavior. Somehow even GM and Ford get better shift quality using those Tremec transmissions which haven't changed much in 20 years. |
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Get the manual while you still can. The awe of fast shifts wears off quick.
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When I see a DCT, I cringe....I guess if you have a leg injury or drive on the 405 in LA at primetime it could ‘possibly’ make sense to someone, maybe?
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I don't hate MT (I had >11 6MT BMWs in the past) I love DCT and it's my second DCT car I ordered. I see you also have a 1M. Great car! I was doing THIS with my 1M until I got disabled and had to opt for an autobox... Not! Unforunately there are no US guys in F1 because otherwise all F1 cars would have 6MTs. Cheers Robin |
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For seis-speed to bash DCT over MT is unnecessary. Glad BMW is still providing the choice for us. Really, to each his/her own. |
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A lot of manual haters or people who can't drive stick, not sure..
The manual is way more fun, trust me.. I drove both and although the DCT is impressive but gets boring after the novelty of fast shifting wears off. I can't say the same about a stick, I get excited every time I see a car with one, from a full blown M car or a 1988 Toyota Corolla.. It adds another dimension to an otherwise boring vehicle.. |
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I'm a manual fan and ordering my M2C with 6MT too but I didn't even have to drive a Porsche to remember how BMW's MT wasn't the best. I have been driving 5-speed 2001 Miata since last week and the transmission feels great. No rubbery feeling, no resistance on 1st to 2nd shifts. As you said, I've been asking myself why BMW can't do this.
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