[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by NPTM

My two cents on this, coming from someone who works in finance and deals with long and short term investments every single day at work...

1. These cars will be solid long term investments, that is without question - it has all the characteristics of a future classic, which I don't need to rehash here...BUT in the near-term, price volatility is to be expected, as with any investment in a rising rate environment and softening macro / broader US economy.

2. It always made me giggle when CS owners (or any specialty car owner) watch the market like a hawk thinking every single transaction is indicative of future trend...many things impact where cars trade on any given day, especially with auctions like BAT...you need to sit back and look at a larger grouping of data over time to get a better sense of trend, not think that one transaction tells the full story.

3. Timing is huge - just like with stocks, there are "catalysts" that create selling pressure, pushing more sellers into the market at any one given time temporarily suppressing price (as demand remained stable) until that supply abates. I think we're seeing that now as many shorter-term CS owners enter the market to swap for something newer as we hit the 2-3 year ownership mark, or the folks who thought they were going to buy high and sell higher in a year realize that might not be the case and sell anyways to get out. This will fade, and in time, supply will only DECLINE and demand will only RISE as clean examples become harder to find and folks who want an experience like this car delivers will have no [...]

This right here!!!

Thank you 😊

[IcewaterPete]

We all knew lower prices were coming after the crazy bubble prices. If these get a little lower I’ll be ready to make the switch from my Comp to a CS.

[ptgltw]

Now is the time to buy a CS. Everytime I drive mine I can't believe I bought it for $85k (MSRP). They are a steal right now.

[M2CSDaily]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

Now is the time to buy a CS. Everytime I drive mine I can't believe I bought it for $85k (MSRP). They are a steal right now.

Agreed. Nothing else compares in this price segment

[M3R1]

Here is another. This one is off to a good start at $80.8k already (7 days left).

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2020-bmw-m2-cs-32/

[NPTM]

As much as I originally wanted white, my gut when I bought the CS was to buy the color unique to the car (I obviously loved MB as well and my assumption on future value tipped the scales)…wonder if we’re starting to see dispersion in pricing based on spec…prob too early to make that call, but still an interesting datapoint. Also bet folks are realizing newer CS will be auto only…TBD

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by NPTM

As much as I originally wanted white, my gut when I bought the CS was to buy the color unique to the car (I obviously loved MB as well and my assumption on future value tipped the scales)…wonder if we’re starting to see dispersion in pricing based on spec…prob too early to make that call, but still an interesting datapoint. Also bet folks are realizing newer CS will be auto only…TBD

In my opinion, both transmissions will be somewhat equally sought after. Although MB had the highest volume produced (37%), it will be the most coveted. Cars with CCB's will likely also command a higher price. It will certainly be interesting to watch over time.

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by NPTM

As much as I originally wanted white, my gut when I bought the CS was to buy the color unique to the car (I obviously loved MB as well and my assumption on future value tipped the scales)…wonder if we’re starting to see dispersion in pricing based on spec…prob too early to make that call, but still an interesting datapoint. Also bet folks are realizing newer CS will be auto only…TBD

I think that the F87 CS being the only modern CS available with a manual is a pretty big deal.

I do think values will rebound on that alone….considering of course, as you stated, the G87 CS will be Auto only.

[Beenz]

Originally Posted by M3R1

In my opinion, both transmissions will be somewhat equally sought after. Although MB had the highest volume produced (37%), it will be the most coveted. Cars with CCB's will likely also command a higher price. It will certainly be interesting to watch over time.

Totally agree, except for CCBs- I don’t think it will matter either way. Hard core users will replace brakes, everyone else won’t need CCB except to avoid brake dust, plus it was an off the shelf item so not really as ‘special’. MB however was not available on any other F87, and the options were manual or DCT, not auto. Can’t get DCT anymore, so arguably will be just as if not more desirable as manual, in future.
But who knows, really. And does it even matter 😁

[mfarrzhp]

I think 6MTs will bring a slight premium. Maybe CCBs as well, which I don’t have but wish I did.

Manual 911s seems to command a premium over PDK. It’s seems even manual E9Xs go for larger figures than a DCT equivalent.

I’m not knocking the DCT. I’ve owned 2 DCT cars and they are great. I just think the 6MT is a different experience relative to the new autos in M cars.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by Beenz

Totally agree, except for CCBs- I don’t think it will matter either way. Hard core users will replace brakes, everyone else won’t need CCB except to avoid brake dust, plus it was an off the shelf item so not really as ‘special’. MB however was not available on any other F87, and the options were manual or DCT, not auto. Can’t get DCT anymore, so arguably will be just as if not more desirable as manual, in future.
But who knows, really. And does it even matter 😁

Don't forget a mint set of used CCB's will fetch $7-8k minimum (calipers, rotors and pads). Trust me, I have looked... So if you don't want to run them, you can net a few grand. There is real value there, not just preference.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by M3R1

Here is another. This one is off to a good start at $80.8k already (7 days left).

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2020-bmw-m2-cs-32/

$87800 with 4 days left. That is $92k with fees. Low mileage cars still command strong money.

[Syed///M]

timing worked out for seller. BaT is unpredictable. Same car a month ago would’ve not met Reserve or hit mid 70s tops. Glad to see it’s doing well.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by Syed///M

timing worked out for seller. BaT is unpredictable. Same car a month ago would’ve not met Reserve or hit mid 70s tops. Glad to see it’s doing well.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2020-bmw-m2-cs-29/

Two months ago a car with the same mileage (DCT, CCB) sold for 89000. $93450 with fees, before taxes, not too shabby.

I will continue to say it, mileage drives the price up.

I try not to have mileage anxiety as I do not intend on selling, but it is always in the back of my mind. My buddy and I went to MPACT this year and we took his G80 M3 because it is a lease. He will be under mileage when he turns it in.

Im at 2800 miles...

[NPTM]

I get the practicality argument on the CCB’s, but I disagree with the assessment that it won’t impact future - I think it 100% will, maybe not by much but it will. If these brakes arent abused they will last last a VERY long time, so for a clean car with decent mileage, CCBs will def fetch a premium for several reasons.

I hear you on DCT being a great transmission and increasingly rare…but no matter how good a two pedal car is, I think manual will command a premium over DCT. It’s just a matter of supply/demand…people like me who just MUST have a manual won’t care how good the alternative is.

I think the best comparison we have is the Lime Rock Park Edition M3 - more limited numbers, but similar level of “special” spec. That DCT transmission was legit designed around that engine for that car specifically, and allowed you to play that high revving V8 like a finely tuned instrument. It’s effing incredible…but the manuals still command a premium, albeit modest (10%ish)…

Just my two cents - DCT and steels are all awesome on this car…but my gut on future value is largely driven by rarity (supply), and special options for the CS spec (CCB and color).

[M2CSDaily]

My goal is to put as many miles on mine as possible, don’t care about future resale value as I’m focused on enjoying the ownership experience and keeping it for a long time

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by M2CSDaily

My goal is to put as many miles on mine as possible, don’t care about future resale value as I’m focused on enjoying the ownership experience and keeping it for a long time

I love this mentality! There is a force inside of me that is resisting though.

[87M3]

M3R1, Your discipline is impressive. The future owner thanks you

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by 87M3

M3R1, Your discipline is impressive. The future owner thanks you

I deserve that sarcasm! He or she will be waiting a long time though. Perhaps my son will thank me when he inherits it...

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by M3R1

I love this mentality! There is a force inside of me that is resisting though.

I feel this as well…..it’s a weekend car for me and for some special outings.

I can’t bring myself to drive it to work in traffic, to park in a multi level parking garage.

That’s just a no bueno for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by Tornado1M

I feel this as well…..it’s a weekend car for me and for some special outings.

I can’t bring myself to drive it to work in traffic, to park in a multi level parking garage.

That’s just a no bueno for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly!

[NPTM]

Originally Posted by M2CSDaily

My goal is to put as many miles on mine as possible, don’t care about future resale value as I’m focused on enjoying the ownership experience and keeping it for a long time

Hear you on that and respect it! My point is more on options / spec that will be most desireable, given the topic of conversation of this thread being BaT auction values. I never buy or spec a car with future value being my primary goal…rather, I use it as one consideration amongst many. For example, I loved the CS in AW and MB, and had a choice between two very similar cars at the time…so the tire breaker was my gut on value/future desireability as I loved them both equally. If you prefer DCT, then drive a DCT…point wasn’t on which one is better or getting one over the other because of value…but rather pointing out some of the things that could be driving dispersion in auction pricing.