[MooMooM2]

It is kind of interesting that most Europe youtube videos I see, people have the DCT but in the US is the opposite, everyone wants the manual. I am from Portugal and never had seen an auto till I came to the US in 2003. I of course bought a manual car every single time, its what I know and what I enjoy. I think because they are rarer and the "enthusiast" choice everyone in the US wants them, in Europe its the opposite, with so many manuals, a manual is not really a special thing so a lot want DCT. I think if I lived in a city I would probably consider the DCT, I drove my M2 in NYC and it was terrible but it was more the combo of suspension and trans (I drove my vw there for years and never had a problem), also too much track and DCT might be better (6 speed is fun for sure but lap after lap you start enjoying the paddles)

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by DanG

Not sure why so many people call a DCT an automatic. It is definitely different than the ZF8 BMW uses in most BMWs.

It is an electronic assisted stick that can be put in an automatic mode.

You put the DCT in "D" and it shifts for you. ZF8 you put in "D" and it shifts for you. What's the difference? You can switch both to manual mode and shift with paddle shifters. DCT just doesn't have a torque converter to get you going off the line. So all things considered, it is an automatic gear box.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

You put the DCT in "D" and it shifts for you. ZF8 you put in "D" and it shifts for you. What's the difference? You can switch both to manual mode and shift with paddle shifters. DCT just doesn't have a torque converter to get you going off the line. So all things considered, it is an automatic gear box.

If you had driven a DCT you would know that it is quite different than a ZF8 automatic.

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by DanG

If you had driven a DCT you would know that it is quite different than a ZF8 automatic.

I've driven it and it's as different from a ZF8 as any other automatic transmissions are different from each other. Yeah, you have no "P", and you can burn the clutches by creeping in heavy traffic, all in all it's an automatic transmission.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by DanG

If you had driven a DCT you would know that it is quite different than a ZF8 automatic.

It is different in quality, not in function. Every valet kid can get in and drive it right away.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

I've driven it and it's as different from a ZF8 as any other automatic transmissions are different from each other. Yeah, you have no "P", and you can burn the clutches by creeping in heavy traffic, all in all it's an automatic transmission.

Look at PDK, it has a D and a P even .

The people who argue this isn't an automatic are seriously delusional. Seriously, it's OK to admit that your transmission can shift by itself. It's not insulting the honour of your car or your manhood.

[natmad]

My 6MT automatically rev matches on downshifts, so it must be an automatic with manual function capability.

[Fuji550i]

Same old shit every time i see this debate. I had both 6 mt and dct. I bought a MT M2C because it's a manual and everyone is raving about having a manual but driving a Mini Cooper manual is more engaging then the M2C. I ended up getting a DCT M2 CS and never look back. It's An Automatic or what ever you call it and it's a hell a lot fun and it will be the last of the DCT as well.

More power to you whatever transmission you choose to drive. i enjoy my DCT CS every second.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by natmad

My 6MT automatically rev matches on downshifts, so it must be an automatic with manual function capability.

Keep that logic in NC but don’t embarrass yourself infront if the whole board

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Fuji550i

Same old shit every time i see this debate. I had both 6 mt and dct. I bought a MT M2C because it's a manual and everyone is raving about having a manual but driving a Mini Cooper manual is more engaging then the M2C. I ended up getting a DCT M2 CS and never look back. It's An Automatic or what ever you call it and it's a hell a lot fun and it will be the last of the DCT as well.

More power to you whatever transmission you choose to drive. i enjoy my DCT CS every second.

Cool. Now we know you enjoy your DCT. Nothing really to do with the debate in this thread

[Brandt51]

I don't need anything with 'D', I got enough of that on my own.

Oh yeah, total sarcasm from my earlier post. I love that it's 2021 and us, as complete strangers, can still argue about something that's benign as to what is classified as a manual and/or an automatic.

If trump could drive, he'd rock an auto or DCT....now my homie Uncle Joe...he knows how to drive a manual.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Fuji550i

Same old shit every time i see this debate. I had both 6 mt and dct. I bought a MT M2C because it's a manual and everyone is raving about having a manual but driving a Mini Cooper manual is more engaging then the M2C. I ended up getting a DCT M2 CS and never look back. It's An Automatic or what ever you call it and it's a hell a lot fun and it will be the last of the DCT as well.

More power to you whatever transmission you choose to drive. i enjoy my DCT CS every second.

So the dark art of using a MT in the M2 wasn't magic?

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by Fuji550i

Same old shit every time i see this debate. I had both 6 mt and dct. I bought a MT M2C because it's a manual and everyone is raving about having a manual but driving a Mini Cooper manual is more engaging then the M2C. I ended up getting a DCT M2 CS and never look back. It's An Automatic or what ever you call it and it's a hell a lot fun and it will be the last of the DCT as well.

More power to you whatever transmission you choose to drive. i enjoy my DCT CS every second.

So you bought a car because of someone else's experience with it. I'm buying it because I want a 400HP rear wheel drive coupe with a "row my own" option while it's still available, and something I can afford.

[bitcore]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

I'm buying it because I want a 400HP rear wheel drive coupe with a "row my own" option while it's still available, and something I can afford.

+1
As an aside, I'm less worried about the future of electrification, so long as there's a market for sports cars with variable traction control and rear wheel bias/only. Having a manually operated handbrake would just be icing on the cake. G87 seems to have deleted that

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by bitcore

+1
As an aside, I'm less worried about the future of electrification, so long as there's a market for sports cars with variable traction control and rear wheel bias/only. Having a manually operated handbrake would just be icing on the cake. G87 seems to have deleted that

Yes exactly, I am still worried about the auto rev match in F87, as I prefer my own heel and toe exercises without putting the car in sport+ with all the nannies disabled. I want to do it when I’m in comfort or sport as well - I know the bimmercode can take care of it, but would really like a manual override like in a C7 Corvette - today I want heel and toe on my own, tomorrow I might feel lazy and have it done for me by the electronics, but having a 6-speed I’d prefer to be a must.

[NWest]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

Yes exactly, I am still worried about the auto rev match in F87, as I prefer my own heel and toe exercises without putting the car in sport+ with all the nannies disabled. I want to do it when I'm in comfort or sport as well - I know the bimmercode can take care of it, but would really like a manual override like in a C7 Corvette - today I want heel and toe on my own, tomorrow I might feel lazy and have it done for me by the electronics, but having a 6-speed I'd prefer to be a must.

You needn't worry about auto rev match.

I have been driving manuals for over +30 years - My M2C is the first manual I've had with this feature, I am usually quicker to rev match than the car, and it cancels it it out. It's not a big deal and doesn't feel intrusive when I don't rev match myself.

I've only had my car for a little over a week and logged 800mi, it has not bothered me at all. Just because it's a feature, doesn't mean it prevents you from overriding it if you like.

[HerM2C]

we like using a foot operated clutch. is the dct with paddleshifters? my brain can't relearn which side is upshifting vs which is downshifting. i tried it on the a 430i. forget it - just learning how to put it in R and P was hard enough.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by HerM2C

we like using a foot operated clutch. is the dct with paddleshifters? my brain can't relearn which side is upshifting vs which is downshifting. i tried it on the a 430i. forget it - just learning how to put it in R and P was hard enough.

And this my friends is an example of how the famous Audi "unintended acceleration" lawsuit managed to happen in just one country on the planet.

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by HerM2C

we like using a foot operated clutch. is the dct with paddleshifters? my brain can't relearn which side is upshifting vs which is downshifting. i tried it on the a 430i. forget it - just learning how to put it in R and P was hard enough.

It has its own learning curve. But as all things we do repetitively after a while it becomes a part of your muscle memory. However, with the paddle shifters, at least in my experience using them, I could never stick to use them full time. Usually, I just put the car in “D” and off I go. This was one of the reason why we didn’t get the Stelvio with paddle shifters, and opted for a Lusso edition without them - granted to say the paddle shifters in the Sport edition are one of the most aesthetically satisfying pieces in the car, from the touch feel and actuation perspective.

[richard in NC]

Left for downshift and right for upshift. Kind of a pain when you have something in your right hand. That's what D is for in traffic or stop and go.

However I've found that from traffic lights, especially when turning at an intersection, I use the gear shift like a manual and shift 1-2 with it. Avoids having to find the paddle with the wheel turned.

The DCT shifter is easy to learn. Just pretend its the 3-4 gate and downshift forward, pull back to upshift. Reverse is left and forward, just like many manuals.

I've got the ZF8 in the X3M. The gearshift is the same pattern as the M-DCT and it behaves mostly the same except for 2 areas.

It will creep and if you hit a paddle to shift in the M-DCT, it will stay in manual mode. With the ZF8 it reverts back to auto in a moment. You have to kick the shifter to the right for it to stay in manual mode.

[MMMBRAP]

Lots of controversial topics lately.

Lease vs. Buy
MT vs. DCT/Auto

I like blondes, but I'm a sucker for a brunette.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

Lots of controversial topics lately.

Lease vs. Buy
MT vs. DCT/Auto

I like blondes, but I'm a sucker for a brunette.

And the best part? New threads come up on these topics all the time and span 10+ pages. And each page is repeating the same shit, as if the people on this board never read the last 9 pages, or the last 9 threads on the same topic with the same responses