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I actually believe that the G87 will have the B58...and so will the Comp...I don't think you see the S58 until there's a CS in the G87. The F87 S55 equipped M2C is pretty much a one-time deal, at least that's how I see it playing out. It will be fun to see what ends up happening.
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Surprised this thread is still going. I would rather buy an M2C or a nice CPO M4 and keep the change. You could even find a CPO C2/4S for that money. So many options.
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The US being the biggest market will likely be the last. My latest update down here is this: Multiply by .7 to get US equivalent. We pay massive "luxury tax". "The M2 pricing has been confirmed at $139,900 before on road costs. So it will be $160,000 plus options. Volume is yet to be confirmed but it will be under 70, with currently over 90 orders on the car Aus wide. March 2020 is the first production slot, with the last one being December. Options pricing below; 2MK M double – clutch transmission with Drivelogic ¨ $7,500 2NK M Carbon Ceramic brake ¨ $ 15,000 302 Alarm system with remote control ¨ $1,000 420 Sun protection glazing ¨ $660" So I'd hazard a guess that they are converting orders into actual committed sales to work out production and allocations. After initially spitting the dummy over the $7500 DCT tax I'm still thinking I'm probably going to get one. I won't cry if I don't but this is going to be the boss level version of my favourite car and I think I'd later feel some regret if I passed on it. |
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01-03-2020, 09:39 AM | #1106 | |
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I just think the M2C was a bit of a perfect storm, given all the things that had to happen in order for the S55 to make its way into the F87 before the CS. Hell, as stout as the B58 appears to be, we might not see any version of the M2 get the S58...especially since the next generation will be manufactured in Mexico. Another wrinkle is whether or not they will make a base M2 and Comp at the same time, and release them at the same time. If they go that direction, I would bet that they both have an 0T0 version of the B58...like the N55 in the M2 and the N54 in the 1M.
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Tag but that's my point...the B58 doesn't seem to share the same limitations when it comes to multiple iterations of power. It appears that it's much more "stout" at a basic level than the N55.
Why put the S58 into the platform if the B58 is sufficient, and meets the overall goal associated with the "right" performance level for the entry-level M car? I hope they put the S58 into the new M2...I just don't think they will.
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The weight gain is due to emissions and turbos, as well as the 8 spd PDK. If it were not for the need for turbos/meet Euro emissions, the non GT cars would still weigh less than their predecessors. |
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01-03-2020, 12:24 PM | #1112 |
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On the flip side of the B58 vs S58 is that the purpose of the modifications are to allow the motor to be beat upon for extended periods of time. The goal was not provide the end user with means to increase output, though that is a natural byproduct. So if we look at it purely from the perspective of matching a motor with it's intended use, the the S58 is good match for the M2 platform. If BMW just wants to separate the M2/M4, then the B58/S58 makes a lot of sense. I'm sure the added cost of the S58 vs B58 would be seen as a worthwhile upcharge in the community.
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01-03-2020, 02:38 PM | #1113 | |
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01-03-2020, 03:04 PM | #1115 | |
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Care to expand on what parts on the M2C show CS? That's something I haven't seen or heard of. |
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01-03-2020, 03:29 PM | #1116 | |
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https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1606863 Maybe they were not going to do a Competition model at all. Internally it seemed they had the base f87, and the CS. The CS became the Competition when they had to drop the base model because n55 wouldn't meet emissions. At that point they had to either #1 only sell s55 CS model in limited run and that's the end of the f87 #2 sell the s55 CS model in a non limited run #3 spend the money to update the base model with the very very old n55 engine. They were never going to do this #4 spend the money to develop a b58 engine base model M2 in a short period of time. #5 Do what they did which was take the M2CS with the S55 which they already had developed and just call it a Competition model, develop a marketing strategy for it that leaves room for an actual CS model (just throw the aftermarket parts on with a tune for CS), remove the planned CS body pieces to lower the price, then sell those planned CS pieces as after market parts. They didn't need to tune up the n55 engine for a competition model because there never was going to be a competition model in the first place. If there was they could have just thrown the M Performance parts bin stuff at it and the M3 seats. No need for a tune. |
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Any chance of posting that with legible numbers when zoomed. Trying to get a feel for us prices. Thanks
Looks like 8500 for CCB and no charge for gold wheels. A smokers package, steering wheel, and dct are options. A storage compartment package? Sorry, trying to decipher what I believe I see. Hoping alcantara wheel is an option so I don't have to have it. Unless it's the one that lights up. I'm a sucker for lights, so I'd have to have it. Last edited by medphysdave; 01-03-2020 at 06:54 PM.. |
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The B58 is not sufficient for BMW to distinguish the M2 from the M240i in marketing M car comes with an M motor. They said it a few times already |
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Still today I believe that - at least at some point in time - the M2 Competition that we know now, was supposed to be the original "M2 CS", a more powerful sibling with distinguished quirks, due for sale alongside the entry-level base M2 + EU regulations triggered a rather spectacular plot twist (the "M2 Competition"/"M2 CS" replacing the base M2 as entry-level BMW M car, with a price-tag reflecting (very) good value for money).
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