[Robin_NL]

I've tracked my M2 as well and though the M4 is very powerful(I had one for three days), the M2 is way more nimble/agile/pointy than M4, but also less powerful in a straight line doh.


M240i is a great 2 series with a big/powerful engine.
Enjoy it. That's all.

Cheers
Robin

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

An M2 doesn't just have an LSD. It has an M LSD. Even if you option the LSD on a 240, it's not the same LSD found in an M2/3/4. That having been said, probably not a huge difference for 95% of people. If you're maxing your car out at the track, then sure, maybe. But otherwise, I would say you should stay with the M240. It's 90% of the car for a lot less money and 100% of the car for a daily driver.

However, once you start optioning all the extras you get into M2 territory, like you said, and I'm agreeing here. If you're just looking at competing with an M2, why not buy an M2 in the first place? You can put 10 grand into an M240 to match the M2. But then you have M2 prices which is arguably a better base, motor arguments aside.

I'd say it's no more or less a real M car than the 1M was. Sure the 1M had headroom, but they were both developed for a similar purpose. I'd even argue the M2 is more of an M than the 1M on motor alone *ducks*. The argument here being the N55 in the M2 is modified whereas the N54 was not. Point is, if the 1M was a real M car and not just due to it's exclusivity, then the M2 is as well. And yes, I'm just bitter that my circumstance wasn't such to buy a 1M 5 years ago .

I like you.

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by davgia

Have you looked at the average cost per upgrade for the M2 vs for the m240i?

If you start getting into modding the m2 you might as well go straight to S55 on the M4.

I've tracked both the M2 & the M4 and the difference is definitely more noticeable than between the m2 and the m240i.

I feel like many M2 owners on this post are hating on me for just making the comparison with the m240i. I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion here...

Main thing here is chassis, as Robin_NL mentioned. Motor, sure, go straight to the S55. A lot of people will get their wish come the CS but it remains to be seen how that motor behaves in the chassis.

I like the discussion. It's a lot better than blanket statements and flame wars.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I couldn't walk away quite yet as a question occurred to me for other M2 owners.

Are there ANY current M2 owners out there who regret not going for the M240i (and saving a bit of scratch in the process)? For me, the M240i and its reviews came out while I could still walk away from my M2 order, and the thought never even crossed my mind.... and I plan on using it as my DD (except in the Canadian winter of course).

Good question.

I'm sure there are more than a few over here in the UK,
(not myself I hasten to add),due to the price difference of
~ $27K,I've seen one or two sell up for the m240i and bag the change.

[Bluenose-2er]

I can't seem to stay away but it's lunch on Friday and what else do I have to do?

Originally Posted by davgia

I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion here...

You're really not... constructive discussion is not comprised of stating opinions as facts, or making inaccurate statements like that the m240i outperforms the M2 when it does not (even in a straight line - closer than some might expect, but the M2 gets the win all else being equal), or questioning whether the M2 is a 'real M car' (in an M2 forum no less).

So it looks like you are trying to provoke a reaction with some statements rather than trying for a constructive discussion.

I will agree with your previous implication that they are close enough in a straight line race that the better driver may win in an m240i. I remember the head to head review video where the dip in his M2 was almost beat by a race car driver in a m240i (though he did have a 200lb passenger handicap in the M2).

You say you are trying to decide whether to upgrade to the M2. But you also say you have tracked the M2. That should give you all the input you need. Either you felt it or you didn't. You don't need any extra input from the outside... especially a biased crowd like here!

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Good question.

I'm sure there are more than a few over here in the UK,
(not myself I hasten to add),due to the price difference of
~ $27K,I've seen one or two sell up for the m240i and bag the change.

The M2 is really a $27K premium in the UK? Here in Canada, MSRP when similarly kitted out is about $7K higher for the M2. I know the M240i can be found for <MSRP (that should tell you something right there), but that would mean getting the M240i for $20K under MSRP to get to the difference you show!

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

inaccurate statements like that the m240i outperforms the M2 when it does not (even in a straight line - closer than some might expect, but the M2 gets the win all else being equal

This is true. C&D tested both cars. M2 trapped 113 mph, 240i trapped 111. Yes, they are comparatively close numbers but so are the 240i and 235i (109 trap speed) with its inferior N55.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I can't seem to stay away but it's lunch on Friday and what else do I have to do?

You're really not... constructive discussion is not comprised of stating opinions as facts, or making inaccurate statements like that the m240i outperforms the M2 when it does not (even in a straight line - closer than some might expect, but the M2 gets the win all else being equal), or questioning whether the M2 is a 'real M car' (in an M2 forum no less).

So it looks like you are trying to provoke a reaction with some statements rather than trying for a constructive discussion.

I will agree with your previous implication that they are close enough in a straight line race that the better driver may win in an m240i. I remember the head to head review video where the dip in his M2 was almost beat by a race car driver in a m240i (though he did have a 200lb passenger handicap in the M2).

You say you are trying to decide whether to upgrade to the M2. But you also say you have tracked the M2. That should give you all the input you need. Either you felt it or you didn't. You don't need any extra input from the outside... especially a biased crowd like here!

Outperformance statement was made on the straight-line argument. Tuned m240i as reference.

A Tuned m240i (Stage 1 JB4, Downpipes & Air Intake) will be faster than a stock M2 on a straight-line, this is a fact.

Overall, if you're looking for something sporty and energetic the M2 is the better deal. I'm definitely considering the swap in the future. My questions where only focused on understanding what M2 owners consensus is towards straight-line deficit towards slightly tuned m240i. I got my answers.

[m34m]

It's odd that when I look at the M2 I see a beautiful design. Muscular aggressive and handsome from most angles. Gorgeous in my eyes. On the contrary when I look at a regular 2 series I may as well be looking at a totally different model. Skinny and slab sided and to me downright unattractive. I don't care what numbers it puts up I'd never buy that car. Never. I know it's the same car but to my eyes they aren't even related. Yes subjective but my 2 cents.

[King_Slayer]

I'm picking up my M2 next week, could have got the 240 any number of times the last few months while waiting. But who in their right mind would do so. Just look at the hips on the M2 and road presence Sorry I buy my cars based on looks first then performance second. Couldn't care less if the 240 is somewhat close in performance it doesn't have any wow factor when I look at it, that and I don't like dinky tires.

Just my 2 cents, hope I didn't offend anybody. Both wicked cars just my preference.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

The M2 is really a $27K premium in the UK? Here in Canada, MSRP when similarly kitted out is about $7K higher for the M2. I know the M240i can be found for <MSRP (that should tell you something right there), but that would mean getting the M240i for $20K under MSRP to get to the difference you show!

Yes and No

The price I quoted is a like for like specification(no options for ease) between the M2 which is full MSRP and has no discount available and the discounted price of the m240i which is hefty and can be had for £7k less than MSRP.
The only fly in the ointment is the exchange rate,the price which I quoted to you is based on a $ / £ of 1.6,
Unfortunately it's now 1.2 so the difference is $22K.

However this is academic for the UK because there is no exchange rate involved and the pocket difference is still the same so the m240i still has a huge financial advantage if you look at it that way.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by davgia

Outperformance statement was made on the straight-line argument. Tuned m240i as reference.

A Tuned m240i (Stage 1 JB4, Downpipes & Air Intake) will be faster than a stock M2 on a straight-line, this is a fact.

Overall, if you're looking for something sporty and energetic the M2 is the better deal. I'm definitely considering the swap in the future. My questions where only focused on understanding what M2 owners consensus is towards straight-line deficit towards slightly tuned m240i. I got my answers.

Q "Why do you keep hitting your head against that wall?"

A "Because it feels so good when I stop."

I'm gonna stop now

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Q "Why do you keep hitting your head against that wall?"

A "Because it feels so good when I stop."

I'm gonna stop now

[Joaozao]

Originally Posted by davgia

Congrats, two speedometers on possibly two different roads with different traffic conditions. I think if we ignore this guy he might just go away.

[Destroya]

Originally Posted by m34m

It's odd that when I look at the M2 I see a beautiful design. Muscular aggressive and handsome from most angles. Gorgeous in my eyes. On the contrary when I look at a regular 2 series I may as well be looking at a totally different model. Skinny and slab sided and to me downright unattractive. I don't care what numbers it puts up I'd never buy that car. Never. I know it's the same car but to my eyes they aren't even related. Yes subjective but my 2 cents.

Agree 100%. Even if the two cars had the same performance I would pay extra for the M2 based on looks. It has a gorgeous shape. The M240 is just plain vanilla. Call me shallow but to me how a car looks means a lot.

[qnet]

I love my M235i and like the 240i, but given given the choice between those two and an M2, I'd take the latter every time. If it weren't for my impatience I may have had an M2 by now.

[Fabspeed Motorsport]

I personally would stick with the N55 platform. Although the B58 seems to be the next best thing - I would stick with the N55 which has proved itself for quite some time now. Until the B58 gets some time under its belt, I personally would stick with the N55.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by Destroya

Agree 100%. Even if the two cars had the same performance I would pay extra for the M2 based on looks. It has a gorgeous shape. The M240 is just plain vanilla. Call me shallow but to me how a car looks means a lot.

Agreed. Except it's not the same car. The suspension alone makes the M2 a much different animal.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by BruceM

Agreed. Except it's not the same car. The suspension alone makes the M2 a much different animal.

A different animal indeed. My last car was a 2016 M235i, and you'd have to be unconscious to not feel the difference in driving characteristics. Not only is the M2 just more fun to drive, the M235i did not come close to inspiring the same degree of confidence when pushed. The M235i/M240i "M-sport" brakes simply aren't as effective, requiring 64' (19.5m) more stopping distance from 120mph (200kph) to 0 - that's over 4 car lengths. Also compare skidpad .94g vs .99g or 5-60mph rolling start 5.2s vs 4.4s.

If you're emphasizing just the engine - the B58 has a lot going for it, no question. But again look at the entire package you're purchasing if you really want to compare performance.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Destroya

Agree 100%. Even if the two cars had the same performance I would pay extra for the M2 based on looks. It has a gorgeous shape. The M240 is just plain vanilla. Call me shallow but to me how a car looks means a lot.

Originally Posted by BruceM

Agreed. Except it's not the same car. The suspension alone makes the M2 a much different animal.

"M2 has the mumps". Looking down from my 2nd story balcony from a direct overhead position, the car has tits and ass with a skinny middle. It's a 2 series body stretched to accommodate an M4 track and suspension. The designers nailed it. They managed to incorporate form and function into a ~$50k all-star that gets compared to the likes of a much more expensive 718S and upcoming TTRS.

All due respect to the 240i, you're a BMW series car which, by most accounts is plain and simple.

[Destroya]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

"M2 has the mumps". Looking down from my 2nd story balcony from a direct overhead position, the car has tits and ass with a skinny middle. It's a 2 series body stretched to accommodate an M4 track and suspension. The designers nailed it. They managed to incorporate form and function into a ~$50k all-star that gets compared to the likes of a much more expensive 718S and upcoming TTRS.

All due respect to the 240i, you're a BMW series car which, by most accounts is plain and simple.

T&A. I love it!

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Destroya

T&A. I love it!

Yep, the F80 has the ass but our F87 has both.