12-18-2019, 04:46 PM | #925 |
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Sort of off topic, but aren't the mag-rides horrible for longevity, as in they don't last nearly as long as their normal valved counterparts? And aren't the magnetic dampers extremely expensive to replace, when they inevitably go bad?
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12-18-2019, 05:06 PM | #927 |
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Yup, more than double the price of Mperf coilovers for the M2. M4 GTS suspension is essentially KW Clubsport 3-way coilovers with BMW GTS specific specs.
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I have to believe if it wasn't efficient or didn't meet their high standards, BMW/GmBH engineers would of discontinued offering it a long time ago. Instead, they ramped up its usage and made it standard in all future G Series M3/M4. So it must be doing something right, they just enjoy wasting unnecessary resources or the few random members here with their magic 'coilovers' are more knowledgeable than the seasoned engineers that design these cars for a living. Here's a video from 1997 utilizing the same system, so if it's not broken, why try to fix it. Forward to 13:00 |
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AFAIK, on the M2 CS, "CS" stands for "Clubsport" or "Club Sport".
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Wow some heated discussions that have escalated the last 12-24 hours...
So a few members are adamant on saying the CS is not enough of an upgrade and a complete waste of money. Ok, really depends how you define an upgrade. As stated earlier, up to a certain point, I don't see the huge performance benefit. Especially when I don't intend to track the vehicle. However, I do care about the "specialness" of the vehicle, by adding enhanced quality materials into an otherwise "regular" vehicle. For me, I love the addition of the adaptive suspension, the merino seats are superb, the carbon bits add differentiation and enhances the overall look of the car. As Poochie has mentioned, if they roll this out to the last gen M2C, I would be all over it. But unfortunately, it is only available at the M2CS level. And for that, I appreciate BMW for adding the parts bin of other models into the M2. Oh and I need a "usable" backseat and I would prefer to buy new since I plan to keep this vehicle for awhile. I like the sentimental value of bonding with the car since the beginning
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I really need to experience this Merino leather. I quite like the Dakato leather in my Comp though. On second though, maybe I shouldn't go feel it, because then if I like it, I'm going to want it... |
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So I bought the G05 X5 back in April and the merino leather seats are simply amazing. It should be the standard in terms of seat quality. Nice and buttery smooth and soft...yeah, you get how much I love it. Previous to the X5, I had a 425i with Dakota. And honestly, it felt very hard and I'm not a fan of the pebble texture vs. the smoothness of the merino. And at this price point, glad BMW gave us the Merino. For me personally, I'm looking for a product that delivers both technically and aesthetically. I don't think it's fair for the consumer to choose one way or another, at this price point. We're not buying a Civic SI or Focus RS.
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And I get where you're coming from, the Dakota leather is still decent compared to some other leathers you find in other brands. But as a top tier luxury product, I guess I expected more at a certain price point. Hell, I'm still on the fence of whether to pull the trigger on this car, but my struggle is not necessary if M2CS is worth it at $83K. It's whether I want to spend my budget on a car plus something else or all on a car. Lol. Worst case, I will pick up the last gen M2C w/ Dakota and call it a day.
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Having ADs on the CS was probably not be the choice of engineers but from marketing. The engineers just have to do what they can with the directive given. One cannot adjust ride height and corner balance with ADs and that is why many saw it as a downgrade on the CS which should be more track focus. Added weight and cost is also a big factor. A set of dampers would last around 30000 km if seen track regularly. That set of ADs on the CS won't last forever and please go and check how much is the listed price from your local dealers. Easily twice the amount of a set of good coilovers. With coilovers one can rebuild which would lower the cost of replacement even further. If you still have doubts about coilovers, go to your local racetrack and have a look at some of the fastest M3/M4 and see how many are on stock ADs. |
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I built a 911 Carrera S at around $137k so that is around $50k higher than a M2 CS. That additional $50k is too rich for my budget at this time so M2 CS it is. I don't want to do base 911 Carrera and not interested in the used market. At least the M2 CS will be scarce unlike 911 Carrera S or base. Last edited by Hegge; 12-18-2019 at 07:57 PM.. |
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And regarding my budget, I'm still spending the total msrp of the CS whether it's just the CS or the C + my watch hobby...this is another can of worms and if you know anything about the watch hobby, then you know what I'm talking about haha. Gotta figure out if I want to fund an AP and Patek here 😂
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I disagree that magnetorheological dampers are that superior to mechanically variable dampers. We have them on our RS3 and they have their weaknesses too. Both technologies have their pros and cons.
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The CS series are not intended as all out track cars. They are intended to be dual use cars: practical daily drivers and track toys, with slightly more bias towards track performance. The GTS (CSL in the future) series are intended primarily as track toys that can be driven to and from the track. A true coil-over suspension will indeed offer better track performance due to greater adjustability of various rebound and compression parameters, but at the expense of greater complexity. Not everyone is able to extract the best out of manually adjustable dampers. I have the MP-HAS on my M4cs, so I would argue that it is possible to fine tune ride height and corner balancing with AD. I actually tuned the handling balance of my car by playing with the front and rear ride heights. Further, coil-overs also come at the expense of durability. Based on personal experience and shared experiences from track buddies, coil-over dampers require an overhaul after 2-3 seasons to remain at their best. The adaptive dampers on the ///Ms that I have owned still performed flawlessly after 70,000~90,000 km of ownership, which included well over 100 track day on each car. From a track performance standpoint, coil-overs are the superior option, followed by the adaptive dampers and then followed by the static dampers. Fitting the M2cs with adaptive dampers is the right "engineering choice" given the M2cs' intended mission.
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