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Although this thread has gone quite off topic I'd still like to weigh in though:
I realise people are different and those people also drive cars for different reasons but let's be honest here:
What we can have daily is 'sheer driving pleasure'. This should come natural to us BMW drivers. And that's where the M2 is a stronger proposition and probably the strongest proposition in BMW (M)'s current lineup. It's when it all comes together: Chassis, engine, engine sound, maybe some driver involvement in the shape of a manual gearbox, the seats, the steering. It's also where you cannot hide weight. That's what made me look into the current M2: From among the current BMW models it probably is what comes closest to the E46 M3, the ultimate in all the points mentioned above. I just wish it had a n/a engine (and no PPF).
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My 2 cents.
Note: I currently have an M550i and M2 Comp. I have driven the M5 comp and M850i, both street and track. I have not driven the new M8 but have seen it static and in action so I have plenty of reference points to address this... Both the M2 Comp and the M8 Comp are great cars to own and drive. The price difference puts the M8 in a whole different category (luxury GT versus sports coupe). I would expect the M2 to be the more fun car to drive except for raw performance. It's capability on even a big autocross course puts it among the best for normal drivers. I would guess the M8 requires a higher skill level to extract the most from it. In the end it could/should be faster on most courses and tracks. 50% more HP and AWD can do that.... But, all things considered, to pick one car, I'd get the M5 comp. Ultimate room and luxury along with mind blowing performance, and a better value than the M8.
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02-14-2020, 01:45 PM | #73 |
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This hyperbole about M2 is tiring. I wonder what owners of Toyota Supra that has been shown in various testings to be faster at tracks and better handling than the M2 do?
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Hmmm, maybe explain "all the hyperbole" you're referring to... from most of the reviews of the M2 and M2C that I've read, there's a pretty strong consensus that it's a great addition to the M family of cars, a fun car to drive, and good value for the money. Opinions... are opinions, some are spot on, some whine, some are exaggerations, everybody has an opinion, and absolutely everyone is entitled to theirs... just curious what's bugging you about the M2? Safe to assume you don't own one? In the spirit of transparency, I had an '18, and now own a '20 M2C. And couldn't be happier with my '20 - it's a daily driver except when it snows, and NEVER fails to put a smile on my face....
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02-14-2020, 03:30 PM | #77 |
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Supra is lighter with lower centre of gravity running B58 engines. I am sure it would be more reliable than M2 and would make a better long term proposition. They are now even making them faster and feels more like a sport car than the M2.
What not to have.
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Supra is great car and definitely handles better, however for those who want a DCT or Manual as well as rear seats and some more practicality, the Supra is a no go. If it came with a manual, I would definitely consider one, also they need to fix the buffeting issues, you can barely put the windows down in the new Supra without it being obnoxiously loud.
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So taking the financial penalty was not justifiable . This is from a man driving his 4th BMW in 4 years I would still buy a full M with the eyes wide open knowing that they are not as wonderful as the owners tend to portray. That I am just buying into the heritage Value for money regarding performance, there is no doubt, Toyota Supra is a better value compared to M2. However we BMW fan boys would still choose BMWs
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I think this is again an example of different strokes for differnt folks. I am leasing a 230i, went to go test drive a M240i, and then managed to test drive an M2 Competition. After the last test drive, i decided im going to get an M2 C. The difference between the 3 was insane. I enjoy my 230i and its a nice daily. Driving the M240i...honestly was a bit underwhelming. It literally just felt like my 230i but with 100 more horses. it was cushy and was quick but...eh. But then i drove the M2C. And omg it was amazing. It was my second time ever driving an M car (the first is my friends tracked out E30 M3) and i loved that drive. This car had some amazing driver feedback. it was similar to my S2000 in terms of responsiveness and rawness but with some more cushion since its 15 years newer. The Power delivery was much more fun and i felt myself really smile just driving it down the road. I cannot wait till i get mine and really stretch her legs. |
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02-14-2020, 06:10 PM | #83 |
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This has been beaten to death, but here goes.
My M235i was a great car. It was fast through traffic like a little rocket. However it didn't corner flat. The suspension on my M235i when pushed just folded where the M2 loves the twisties at the limit. I will say that because of the narrower track and smaller tires the M235i from a chassis point of view felt like a smaller car. That part surprised me but part of it was that you just don't feel the speed as much in the M2. Don't get me wrong, the M240i is a fun car but as I said at 8/10 to the limit it just can't compare. |
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I am an aural person. The exhaust sounds matter to me. All the Ms above sound louder but unpleasant However I was blown away by the beautiful roar of V8 on up shifting manually and effortlessness of picking up speed on motorways when I test drove F10 M5 but the interior is too dated for me as I also drive the current G30 5 series Would I buy one of the M2/M3/M4 later this year or early next year? YES. Or M5. Why would I buy one? YES. Because of the heritage, sexy exterior and because I am a BMW fanboy M2s should move over, a new kid is in town called Supra. Would I buy a Supra? No. However I recognise it is a better value
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