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08-13-2015, 08:42 PM | #68 |
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Can someone explain the difference between my 135is DCT and the M-DCT in the M3/M4 ? (and probably the M2) Besides it handling more power...Just curious if anyone knows the technical differences.
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08-13-2015, 09:07 PM | #69 |
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This s55 dream talk is bothering me. Honestly, I don't understand how people hate the n54 and love the s55, I would love to know why. Do people really think upgrading engine components are the devil? Or even expensive? Or unsafe?(High quality h2o) and by engine components I mean a sub $500 tune for m4 stock figures, a $900 turbo for 430ish whp.
If you think a detuned s55 is going to solve your problems and is a deal breaker, I think the M2 might not be for you. I wish I could be viewing more chassis component threads vs carbon roofs, hood bulge and options threads. Don't get me wrong, the s55 is great and has insane potential, which has been proven. But the n55 has the same relative potential, unless we are talking about over 600whp. If the n55 is a deal breaker then I'll assume a $2400 turbo that could give you close to 600whp, isn't in your sights. (When they offer back-end flash options) |
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08-13-2015, 09:18 PM | #70 |
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Right here!! damage done few months ago, I'm very happy with my M3... Its an Amazing car, tight body control with the power from the engine is just cherry on top! Thanks to all the CF weight saving bits. This ain't E92/E87 Era
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08-13-2015, 09:41 PM | #71 |
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i don't understand why people are so defensive of the n55.
an m car should have an engine that can hold up to repeated track abuse. the n55 has major cooling issues and it does not hold up to hard driving. I have experienced this many times. I don't know what bmw is doing to upgrade the n55 for the m2, but based on past experience, i definitely wouldnt want one in a track car. |
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08-13-2015, 10:40 PM | #74 | |
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1M and the e90zcp had the same 19s and rear suspension and rear diff. M2 will likely have the f80 19s and also the rear suspension including subframe and diff |
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They usually redesign and improve critical components. The N54 had fuel pump issues. N54 fuel pumps in the 1M were fine. The e82 135 had limp mode issues. The 1M did not. Whatever issues N55 has they likely will be resolved on the N55T if it's in an M car. Based on past experiences, if it's a motor in an M car, you will probably want it. Tell me which M motors are bad ? |
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08-13-2015, 10:55 PM | #76 |
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It matters to me too. I agree with many complaints. It's very responsive at various RPM ranges. Top end? The turbo is A problem. We need something that can actually pull to 7500. The s55 isn't particularly happy at that level. It still falls off. Cooling? The s55 has cooling issues. The n55's air to air is just undersized. I'm telling you the n55 would be as "special" or more special than the s55 with a couple things. Water to Air, a larger compressor and some serious oil cooling. That's it. If anything it would be happier up top compared to the s55. Well and a lighter flywheel assembly.
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Like i said i dont know what they have planned as far as upgrades but I must concede that you're right. All of the m cars have been pretty great so far. I'm sure bmw knows how to make the engine reliable and special at the limit. |
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It's at least a good bit of information, and it all depends on what you define as starting production. They have been producing a couple of M2's each month starting from Feb this year. Quote:
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I went to Leipzig in November of 2010 prior to the 1M rollout. That day we toured the factory and drove the 3 mules they had present, we maybe saw a total of 12 cars anywhere in the factory and on the line and at that time there was a max delivery rate of 730 odd cars per day. Dackel has informed me the plant has expanded... A couple of hundred rolling off the floor a month is only 2400 cars a year for the world ! They would need to make more than 500 a month to equal the number of 1Ms produced which was 6000... The 1M production probably was over longer than 12 months of course A wise man one said.... "You will love it..... But you will have to wait for it! " |
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M-DCT allow much more control over the shifting characteristics with its drivelogic. You have D1 through D5, S6, and manual. Additionally, the M-DCTs that I have driven don't creep forward with your foot off the brake. M-DCT will not upshift in manual mode without user-input. There are some other differences I believe, but I cant remember them right now. |
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