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Its 11” tall - it will need to be cut, just like the ER.
I don’t know how Do88 and CSF get away with it - maybe they are under 10” tall. |
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04-07-2024, 11:35 AM | #46 |
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It makes sense cutting up the M2 x-brace since a new M2 x-brace cost slightly less than a M235i v-brace, at least here in Sweden.
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The BMS is a VRSF clone (this was stated by VRSF) made in a different factory. The original had a stupid flimsy welded in diverter that did absolutely nothing but lower flow as the sole differentiation between them. Outside of that, they should be dimensionally the same requiring the same work to fit. It appears the Do88 and CSF are shorter by about an inch and thus don’t have this issue. |
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So you're incorrect in a few areas: 1) It isn't about height in terms of the csf and d088 intercoolers - it is about thickness. The m2 brace has plenty of room behind of it given that the intercooler isn't too thick, it isn't about heigh it is about thickness. This is why the CSF and D088 intercoolers fit behind the stock brace, because it was a 5" intercooler like stock, and the stepped portion isn't too thick. https://mashimarho.com/cdn/shop/file...p?v=1684966824 2) The ER intercooler doesn't come with a cut brace, you have to modify your stock one. The reason why you have to cut the stock brace is because again the ER intercooler is too thick, as iti s designed to sit completely infront of the radiators and not tuck beneath it. https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191 BMS's racecore intercooler no longer has that baffle in the inlet, I think that was limited to the E series n54 racecore intercooler only.
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The PTF step is 2.75" which means the CSF is about 2.5 or less. So yeah, it may be a depth issue. Quote:
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Yes you are right, they do offer an option for a new brace, I didn't see it on ER's site before. That was likely a mistake, as it is not on the BMS site for the F series intercooler and only on the E series intercooler: https://burgertuning.com/products/bm...dc469de4&_ss=r https://burgertuning.com/products/e-...dc469de4&_ss=r also take a look at the connector on the image, that isn't what the connector looks like on an F series intercooler.
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04-08-2024, 08:41 AM | #53 |
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A couple of years ago, there was a few members who mentioned they bought a VRSF race and a Competition model.
The guy with the competition model was upset that it contacted the brace and rubbed against it. He didn't describe the how and why - and just ended up sending it back for another brand. I followed up with him on it and he wasn't too specific. So if it's a depth issue, why can't spacers or washer be used to space it out a little bit? M2guru any insight you can provide during your install? I would love to pick up a brace if it's possible to fit with washers/spacers. |
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I won't be driving the car at the track for another couple weeks so i don't know if the reduced bracing will make a difference. I am guessing I won't notice it for two reasons: 1) it'll have been 5 months or so since I last drove the car at the track and 2) I don't think that I am sensitive to such a small change. |
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I had to go back and read everything above after I posted (should have done that before posting)...I don't think I helped in my response because the pic just shows the height and not depth. Next time I have the front off, I'll have to look at the depth and if it comes close to hitting. I didn't notice any issues during the install related to depth.
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I’ve at least removed the top flap on the Evo3 and am running the stock DCT cooler (different than that pic) but still… |
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Add the fact that DCT fluid is circulating at 230-250F thru there while on track, and the air that passes thru the DCT cooler to the radiator is already going to be a bit toasty.
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04-08-2024, 05:26 PM | #59 | |
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If you space out the vbrace, the top part won't bolt in right because it is now at an angle that is too sharp for it to sit flush.
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Like if you look at this image from: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191 You can see that the ER intercooler is too deep, it sticks out past where the m2 v brace mounts. But from the image m2guru posted, it is hard to tell since it is directly head on and we don't get depth perception. But it really does look like it fully sits behind the m2's original v-brace mounting position. Then you can see on this CSF intercooler install from: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1870298 it gets really close to the vbrace, any thicker (like race core intercoolers) and it will touch. So it likely is a depth issue like I said before, not a height issue. But im curious, is there more room up top ? And the end tank shape really looks like it might influence fitment too, since the csf and er seem to budge out more.
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I just saw this:
This m2 guy got his arm intercooler installed without pulling the factory m2 brace and as you can see it fits but it literally looks like it is touching. The importance of this is that the ER intercooler and the ARM intercooler both have the same diamensions, since the ARM intercooler looks like a clone of the ER: https://armmotorsports.com/collectio...tercooler-fmic https://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/258 So this makes it a bit more promising that I can potentially retain the m2 v brace. Also the question that remains is - what sticks out more? A standard 11" tall race core intercooler, or the arm/er intercooler?
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From what I understand thus far,
The ER/ARM, MAD & VRSF Race are the best in the market? And the MAD & VRSF require the M235i brace? Also the Wagner III is an afterthought at this point? Due to price & being too large for its own good? I would like to eventually update my first post in this fashion^ and have a simple guide for anyone without needing to read the entire thread.
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Yes the VRSF/MAD/BMS at this time looks to require the m235i brace. Personally id buy the BMS intercooler over the other 2, simply because BMS has better customer service, and at this current moment VRSF doesn't look to have the bery good customer service and ships defective parts pretty frequently according to customer reports I have read online. Alegedly it was so bad that vendors like XPH no longer sell VRSF parts.
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Noted.
So BMS/MAD would be the best two options. MAD also comes in a black finish as well. Both are priced similarly & require the M235i V-brace.
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I personally dont like the black finish, if it gets chipped via rock strikes it looks horrible.
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