[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by Reddevils7

He should post the paperwork BMW is giving him to discuss why they're denying the claim. When mine spun on my m4, at the end of the paperwork there were a few sentences that explicitly stated "scanned car for tune, aftermarket parts, etc. None found and proceeded with warranty claim". This isn't verbatim as I don't remember the exact words but it was something to this nature.

BMW is claiming he money shifted.

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by MooMooM2

BMW is claiming he money shifted.

That's what I figured with the 6sp. Unfortunately if they prove the rpm were significantly out of range then yeah probably gonna be denied a warranty claim. Especially if a new engine is needed. Mine only the timing was out so not too bad of a fix. Mine was dct

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by Reddevils7

That's what I figured with the 6sp. Unfortunately if they prove the rpm were significantly out of range then yeah probably gonna be denied a warranty claim. Especially if a new engine is needed. Mine only the timing was out so not too bad of a fix. Mine was dct

A money shift is driver error and will not be covered under the factory warranty. The DME records High RPM shifts.

I've posted multiple times in previous SCH threads that every spun hub I've seen on the boards so far has only needed to be re-aligned to set the Double Vanos timing back into tolerances. Certainly not a inexpensive job, but nothing compared to a bent exhaust valve making contact with a piston requiring serious head work.

There might some examples of a SCH causing valve damage but I haven't read about them. Not saying it couldn't happen (still a very small % if they have occurred)

A serious money shift will cause valve contact and that should not be confused with a SCH timing issue.

They both cause the hub to move

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

A money shift is driver error and will not be covered under the factory warranty. The DME records High RPM shifts.

I've posted multiple times in previous SCH threads that every spun hub I've seen on the boards so far has only needed to be re-aligned to set the Double Vanos timing back into tolerances. Certainly not a inexpensive job, but nothing compared to a bent exhaust valve making contact with a piston requiring serious head work.

There might some examples of a SCH causing valve damage but I haven't read about them. Not saying it couldn't happen (still a very small % if they have occurred)

A serious money shift will cause valve contact and that should not be confused with a SCH timing issue.

They both cause the hub to move

My f82 was a dct that only had timing issues secondary to a spun hub.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by Reddevils7

My f82 was a dct that only had timing issues secondary to a spun hub.

That's what I've been stating on the boards...

A SCH leads to a timing error, still $'s to re-align, but far cheaper than Head work..

[chris719]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

That's what I've been stating on the boards...

A SCH leads to a timing error, still $'s to re-align, but far cheaper than Head work..

It’s by no means guaranteed to only slip a little. There’s a German YouTube video with a DCT S55 with SCH and it needed a complete rebuild.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by chris719

It’s by no means guaranteed to only slip a little. There’s a German YouTube video with a DCT S55 with SCH and it needed a complete rebuild.

I'm not saying it couldn't slip that much, but every one I've seen where it was that bad ended up being a money shift that caused the SCH...

[medphysdave]

Another reason to get a cloned DME even without a tune. Use the clone and the original wouldn't have over revs recorded to it. Consider it insurance?

[omak81]

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can get the preventative crank hub fix done around 21771 Mount Airy MD?

Been out the game for a awhile and dont have a dedicated shop I use anymore so looking for suggestions as I have some other things I would like to also get done like the Auto Solutions SSK.

[///MPECABL]

Originally Posted by omak81

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can get the preventative crank hub fix done around 21771 Mount Airy MD?

Been out the game for a awhile and dont have a dedicated shop I use anymore so looking for suggestions as I have some other things I would like to also get done like the Auto Solutions SSK.

I’m looking as well. Not many shops talk about doing them around the MD area. Took my car to Tier Car Care (specializes in BMW track/performance mods) but they didn’t respond when I asked about CH fix stuff. Will be following to see if anyone responds. Which unit were you going to go with?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ///MPECABL

I’m looking as well. Not many shops talk about doing them around the MD area. Took my car to Tier Car Care (specializes in BMW track/performance mods) but they didn’t respond when I asked about CH fix stuff. Will be following to see if anyone responds. Which unit were you going to go with?

Kies Motorsports is well regarded and in South Jersey I think. Depends on how far you want to travel.

[omak81]

Originally Posted by chris719

Kies Motorsports is well regarded and in South Jersey I think. Depends on how far you want to travel.

TY. Little far but ill consider it as I want a company to do the job correctly.

[omak81]

Originally Posted by ///MPECABL

I’m looking as well. Not many shops talk about doing them around the MD area. Took my car to Tier Car Care (specializes in BMW track/performance mods) but they didn’t respond when I asked about CH fix stuff. Will be following to see if anyone responds. Which unit were you going to go with?

Havent got that far yet.

[jayee88]

Originally Posted by chris719

Kies Motorsports is well regarded and in South Jersey I think. Depends on how far you want to travel.

IIRC Kies Motorsports said somewhere that they don't do customer work at their garage anymore as they want to use it more for projects and youtube content.

edit -

yup found it on their website:
https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/pages/installations

They do recommend http://www.tsd-motorsports.com in place of their services though.

Do you offer installations at your shop in New Jersey?

As of April of 2020, we made a decision to stop doing installations. However, we didn't do without contingency. For all your installation needs and inquiries, please reach out to TSD Motorsports (they're also located in Hammonton, NJ) and they do fabulous work. You can request a quote through their website @ http://www.tsd-motorsports.com/ and click on the "Request Quote" button.

We’re not affiliated with TSD Motorsports, but because the staff at TSD have been so phenomenal in taking care of our customers, we're more than happy to refer them to you.


Why did you stop?

In business, it’s always a good idea to take a step back every now and again to evaluate your business to see what you could be doing better. We knew that if we stepped out of installations, that we would be able to do two things better. First, we knew that we could reallocate resources to ramp up our customer service team to make it the best they can be. Second, by having less cars in the shop, it freed us up to make more videos for our YouTube channel. By ramping up the video content, we’ve been able to reach millions of people around the globe and give them the confidence to work on their own cars, with the new skills they were able to learn.

[omasou]

Joe Achilles money shifted his M2C and his initial assessment is that the hub spinning may actually have saved him from a more damage.

IMO a SCH is always the result of driver error and locking the hub will only result in more significant damage.

Similar to folks that mod their cars with too stiff bushings, etc. and drive on the street. Instead of properly wearing the bushings as designed the forces will be transferred further along the suspension and damage something else, e.g. rip out the of the body, etc.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by omasou

Joe Achilles money shifted his M2C and his initial assessment is that the hub spinning may actually have saved him from a more damage.

IMO a SCH is always the result of driver error and locking the hub will only result in more significant damage.

Similar to folks that mod their cars with too stiff bushings, etc. and drive on the street. Instead of properly wearing the bushings as designed the forces will be transferred further along the suspension and damage something else, e.g. rip out the of the body, etc.

Sorry, this is nonsense. Interference is not a mitigation for anything. Can't money shift a DCT car either.

[M3R1]

This subject is always polarizing. The guys at ACM in NJ have a M2cs customer with a DCT that was driving normally and got the fault code, CH slipped and it was out of time. He decided to not bring it to his dealer (still under warranty) and have them just do the CH fix. I personally have had several encounters with dealers that have left me scratching my head as to the level of experience of the tech's. Unless it was a complete motor swap that was covered, I would not let them replace the OEM CH.

If I had a comp it would have the fix and a tune by now. I still might though...

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by M3R1

He decided to not bring it to his dealer (still under warranty) and have them just do the CH fix. I personally have had several encounters with dealers that have left me scratching my head as to the level of experience of the tech's.

I breathed a sigh of relief when my car went out of warranty, and no BMW dealer will ever touch it again. More damn BMW dealer horror stories than Chevrolet dealer horror stories. That shit isn't right.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I breathed a sigh of relief when my car went out of warranty, and no BMW dealer will ever touch it again. More damn BMW dealer horror stories than Chevrolet dealer horror stories. That shit isn't right.

I have one story that happened to me that would blow your mind, however it's too much to type.

Another was when I had the dealer do the first service. You were the one that told me that there was only a $100 transfer fee, as I was not the first owner. They were going to charge me $800. I needed to wait until the finance manager got in before they started, he was the only one that knew what or how to do it in their system. It took him 5 minutes. This was Paul Miller, a large BMW dealer.

Long story short, my car will never go back to them.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by M3R1

You were the one that told me that there was only a $100 transfer fee, as I was not the first owner. They were going to charge me $800. I needed to wait until the finance manager got in before they started, he was the only one that knew what or how to do it in their system. It took him 5 minutes. This was Paul Miller, a large BMW dealer.

Long story short, my car will never go back to them.

My friend Corey bought a used '18 M2 in '20, so I told him to do the same thing. Turns out no one ever signed the warranty line for his car, so even though it was obviously used with 4,300 miles on it (not a demo), they wrote him as the first owner and didn't even charge him the $100 fee. Then they proceeded to botch his oil change terribly. I mean, if you can't even do an oil change...

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

My friend Corey bought a used '18 M2 in '20, so I told him to do the same thing. Turns out no one ever signed the warranty line for his car, so even though it was obviously used with 4,300 miles on it (not a demo), they wrote him as the first owner and didn't even charge him the $100 fee. Then they proceeded to botch his oil change terribly. I mean, if you can't even do an oil change...

I was literally nervous giving them my car for the oil change... My car has had two oil changes since and it only has 2100 miles...

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Then they proceeded to botch his oil change terribly. I mean, if you can't even do an oil change...

Detail please...