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It will be interesting to see how used sales managers value the CS, which is a lot like a CS with a bunch of m performance parts added. I wonder if they will go by black book, or try to treat it like a modified car???
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What? Why would they treat it like a modified car? It's a factory car.
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12-04-2019, 02:24 PM | #553 | |
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The CS appeals to a certain demographic that want the CF cosmetic bits, and includes it from the factory. Sure to them maybe $83K is also not a big deal. But you sure do get a "unique" M2, for what it's worth. I don't think BMW will have trouble finding buyers for this. If anything, it's the exotic rental places that will buy them up. These cars will be easy to maintain and the car clubs can market them as a special vehicle.
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Not to mention, carbon fiber aint near as expensive as what they charge for it. margin is insane. BMW isnt trying to show value, they are trying to price a car at a price point that 2k of them or whatever will sell. if they had to move 100k of them it wouldnt be priced at 85k+ |
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12-05-2019, 12:58 PM | #563 | |
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Limited edition versions like the CS will continue to be priced high. They are not intended to be sold in droves like the base or competition models. Same like the 911 GT3. The base models of these cars are fantastic and a better value for the money. Don't make it bother you if you can't afford the limited edition models. |
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The difference between the base and GTS Cayman models has nothing to do with carbon fiber parts.
Yes, some of the more popular/sporty elements come with the GTS at a slight discount compared to base/S model upgrades. However, the Porsche cash register (configurator) runs on forever, and the costs accumulate quickly for ANY model. Regarding the M2C versus M2CS, and how it relates to the Porsche . . . Porsche model price jumps are performance-based. Most significantly, engine based. Yes, the 718 S and GTS models both have the same 2.5L engine, BUT the GTS has numerous additional performance parts – not superficial carbon fiber parts. So, as I have said before – and many can disagree – BMW already released the M2CS and it is called the M2C. When did this occur? The moment BMW decided to throw the S55 engine into the M2. No significant value or performance to be added from there. Well, not $25K+ in increased value and certainly not in performance. This has never been about ‘dissing’ the M2CS, as much as it has been about the incredible value of the M2C. If you want to compare Porsche models, best to start by considering ‘what if’ Porsche released a base 718 with the GTS engine – at the base price. That is exactly what BMW did when introducing the S55 to the M2. ///AVM EDIT: Plus, once and for all, can we please dispel this notion that all these carbon fiber parts and other aesthetic desires have anything whatsoever to do with performance. The overwhelming majority of owners that are placing all these aftermarket carbon fiber and similar ‘performance’ parts will NEVER sniff a track. They simply like the aesthetics (or acoustics). Perfectly fine, but of zero relation to track performance that is so often referenced. As for the M2CS, how much lighter is it than the M2C??????? Rant over. ///AVM Last edited by ///AVM; 12-05-2019 at 09:52 PM.. Reason: More to say |
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I agree with the uselessness of carbon bits unless they are being used to lower the center of gravity. I still speculate that the with reduction in the roof would be unnoticeable in all but the most extreme high speed cornering.
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It will be interesting when reviews start trickling in. It may not be until March or so. Don't think there will be a big press test drive event for a limited edition car.
When does US sales begin? January since start of production is 1st quarter in March? |
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12-05-2019, 03:02 PM | #568 |
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Yeah, but any discount on the CS will be more palatable as the absolute dollar amount will be less. An $83k CS will not be discounted to $63k. At $75-76k you'll have people crawling all over them. While the C is the better buy it also creates a stable value floor for the CS.
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Let's not kid ourselves - it's a great car just not for the money. Much like the M4 and M3 CS.
Anyone buying this with the feeling that this will be a better car is delusional. People buying this as a collectible - similarly delusional. Those buying it for exclusivity and because they can't be arsed modding - realistic. |
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Anyhow, as I think Poochie pointed out earlier in this thread, when one looks beyond the pretty new bits on the M2 CS the only truly significant difference I see is the fully integrated M adaptive suspension (which many serious track rats would likely swap out for high end coilovers anyway) |
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