[Adem1534]

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Pretty awesome looking

That's killer looking. Looks just fine with regular xenons to me though

Edit: OK that last one looks even better with regular LED's. Wow!

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

That's killer looking. Looks just fine with regular xenons to me though

Edit: OK that last one looks even better with regular LED's. Wow!

RIGHT?!?! Even without the L shape, it looks so aggressive with LEDs.

Just.... wow. Wow, wow, wow.

this is what I needed. M2 is back to receiving my full attention.

It looks like a Fighter Jet. Jeez, It's so serious looking.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

RIGHT?!?! Even without the L shape, it looks so aggressive with LEDs.

Just.... wow. Wow, wow, wow.

this is what I needed. M2 is back to receiving my full attention.

It looks like a Fighter Jet. Jeez, It's so serious looking.

Same here haha. I was a Z4M coupe for a while last week but that photoshop is one of my favorite ones of the M2, next to the orange one. Fantastic!

[seanq]

beautiful, i think the flanders will be a bit more flared tho

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by seanq

beautiful, i think the flanders will be a bit more flared tho

I don't think Flanders has ever been flared. Although, he may have a wild side...

[twin fed]

Yeah, way wider on the fenders

[dmboone25]

That looks pretty good - I am still not sure about the vents in the hood, however.

But if the "face" of the car looks like this, or pretty close to this, I think it's going to be awesome.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That looks pretty good - I am still not sure about the vents in the hood, however.

But if the "face" of the car looks like this, or pretty close to this, I think it's going to be awesome.

It's good. But still not any wider than the M235i is currently.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That looks pretty good - I am still not sure about the vents in the hood, however.

But if the "face" of the car looks like this, or pretty close to this, I think it's going to be awesome.

I don't see that happening anyway, don't know why it keeps being included in the photoshops. We'll be even lucky to get a different hood than other 2ers IMO. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing an aluminum hood with just a powerdome.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

It's good. But still not any wider than the M235i is currently.

Agreed on the width - plus, as good as it is to have a different view than the original Bimmerpost render, I really want to see what people think will happen with the rear.

From a visual aspect, the rear is the current weak point for the 235.

Originally Posted by W///

I don't see that happening anyway, don't know why it keeps being included in the photoshops. We'll be even lucky to get a different hood than other 2ers IMO. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing an aluminum hood with just a powerdome.

I think it will have a little baby bump powerdome too - something smaller than the M3/4 - but something to distinguish itself from the other 2ers.

Hopefully the next round of renders will leave the vents out.

[bradleyland]

I wouldn't hold out for much more flare. Although I guess it depends on what you mean by "flare". When I hear the word flare, I think of the 1M's rear fenders. Fender flare has two dimensions:

Offset - the amount the fender is offset from the standard body line in an outward direction from the car's centerline.

Radius - the distance between the wheel well opening and the start of the flare.

The 1M had a huge offset because it had M3 suspension parts underneath. It also had a tight radius, which means that the "roll" of the flare started close to the wheel well opening. This gave the flare a very pronounced appearance. The reasons why the 1M had this type of flare can only be speculated. I would say it was a combination of factors: 1) because it fit with the body lines of the E82, and 2) because the 1M was an "on the fly" creation, which would have prevented a lot of bodywork changes. Keeping the flare radius tight meant simpler changes to body work; i.e., other body panels weren't affected by the change. Agree or disagree with those reasons, but I think the 1M will be distinct in its design language, much as the E82 was in the BMW line up in general.

The F22 is more of a baby F82. To understand where the M2 is headed, have a look at the F82 M4's styling. There's plenty of offset, but the radius us huge. The front-side blending starts at about 1/2 to 1/3 the distance between door seem and the fender well opening. On the rear-side, the blending runs all the way back to where the rear fender begins to curve around to the rear. You can see it really clearly in this M4 shot.

SCOTT26 has reiterated several times that the BMW Vision Gran Turismo is a good source of styling queues. Have a look at this side shot. Now, remove the crazy intake duct, and blend the rocker panel in a more sane way, and I think you've got a good idea of how BMW plan to style the rear fenders.

As for the rear, I wouldn't expect any significant changes to the geometry. I'd expect the rear width at the edges of the tail lights to remain the same. The tails might get a unique pattern, but I'm willing to bet you could swap them on to an M235i with a simple bolt-on and plug in procedure, just like installing LCI tails on an E92 coupe. That's going to disappoint a lot of people, but based on the information we've seen and the comments from BMW insiders, I don't see the M2 coming out as a radical departure from the base F22 any more than the M4 is a radical departure from the base F32.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, just trying to be realistic. I'd be thrilled if the car upset all my predictions, but BMW has been playing it safe lately. They know the formula that will sell, and they're doing exactly what they need to do in order to remain independent.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't see that happening anyway, don't know why it keeps being included in the photoshops. We'll be even lucky to get a different hood than other 2ers IMO. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing an aluminum hood with just a powerdome.

I really do wish those would just go away. There's no way they're coming on the factory car. The M4 did away with the E92 M3's hood vents. They're not sticking them on the M2; especially if they're only cosmetic.

[W///]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I wouldn't hold out for much more flare. Although I guess it depends on what you mean by "flare". When I hear the word flare, I think of the 1M's rear fenders. Fender flare has two dimensions:

Offset - the amount the fender is offset from the standard body line in an outward direction from the car's centerline.

Radius - the distance between the wheel well opening and the start of the flare.

The 1M had a huge offset because it had M3 suspension parts underneath. It also had a tight radius, which means that the "roll" of the flare started close to the wheel well opening. This gave the flare a very pronounced appearance. The reasons why the 1M had this type of flare can only be speculated. I would say it was a combination of factors: 1) because it fit with the body lines of the E82, and 2) because the 1M was an "on the fly" creation, which would have prevented a lot of bodywork changes. Keeping the flare radius tight meant simpler changes to body work; i.e., other body panels weren't affected by the change. Agree or disagree with those reasons, but I think the 1M will be distinct in its design language, much as the E82 was in the BMW line up in general.

The F22 is more of a baby F82. To understand where the M2 is headed, have a look at the F82 M4's styling. There's plenty of offset, but the radius us huge. The front-side blending starts at about 1/2 to 1/3 the distance between door seem and the fender well opening. On the rear-side, the blending runs all the way back to where the rear fender begins to curve around to the rear. You can see it really clearly in this M4 shot.

SCOTT26 has reiterated several times that the BMW Vision Gran Turismo is a good source of styling queues. Have a look at this side shot. Now, remove the crazy intake duct, and blend the rocker panel in a more sane way, and I think you've got a good idea of how BMW plan to style the rear fenders.

As for the rear, I wouldn't expect any significant changes to the geometry. I'd expect the rear width at the edges of the tail lights to remain the same. The tails might get a unique pattern, but I'm willing to bet you could swap them on to an M235i with a simple bolt-on and plug in procedure, just like installing LCI tails on an E92 coupe. That's going to disappoint a lot of people, but based on the information we've seen and the comments from BMW insiders, I don't see the M2 coming out as a radical departure from the base F22 any more than the M4 is a radical departure from the base F32.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, just trying to be realistic. I'd be thrilled if the car upset all my predictions, but BMW has been playing it safe lately. They know the formula that will sell, and they're doing exactly what they need to do in order to remain independent.

Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing, but if you look at these spy shots, the M2 will have F80-esque hips. I'm betting that they take the bolt on rear end of the M3/4 and bolt it to the M2, so it'll definitely need to be wider. I think it'll be more like the M3 than the M4 when it comes to flare styling.

I mean look at this



To be quite honest, the flares aren't really a concern for me. I'm much more concerned about whether or not it'll have a double bubble CF roof or not.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by W///

Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing, but if you look at these spy shots, the M2 will have F80-esque hips. I'm betting that they take the bolt on rear end of the M3/4 and bolt it to the M2, so it'll definitely need to be wider. I think it'll be more like the M3 than the M4 when it comes to flare styling.

I mean look at this

To be quite honest, the flares aren't really a concern for me. I'm much more concerned about whether or not it'll have a double bubble CF roof or not.

The thing is, the flare on the F80 is very different from the flare on the F82. The radius of the flare on the F80 is much tighter. I prefer it, even though I generally prefer coupes over sedans. IMO, they got the rear fenders "right" on the F80, but made them too smooth on the F82. They need more definition.

Also, the rear fenders in those photos are the M235i Racing "slap on" parts. They sit over the existing body work. It sounds like you're referring to the overall offset, which will probably not be as dramatic as the M235i Racing, because the rubber on the M2 won't be the same as what you'd find on a race car.

You can see in those spy shots that the wheels don't nearly reach the fender width in the rear, but if you look at the front, you can see the fitment is much better. In that photo, the front has what are probably the production (or very nearly production) fenders. You can tell by the fact that they blend in to the rocker panels. The early prototypes had the M235i Racing fenders slapped on.

I know these are all subtle distinctions, but I've (along with a lot of other people here ) been following this car extremely closely. Key takeaways:

* The spy shots use parts from the M235i Racing car, which isn't a street model.
* I don't think the rear will be as wide as in these spy shots.
* I/We've yet to see a spyshot with the "production" rear fenders fitted.

[Aust350z]

Originally Posted by W///

I think it'll be more like the M3 than the M4 when it comes to flare styling.

I really hope it follows M3 over M4. I was never a fan of the M3 Sedan but the new "M3" Sedan looks meatier than the M4.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The thing is, the flare on the F80 is very different from the flare on the F82. The radius of the flare on the F80 is much tighter. I prefer it, even though I generally prefer coupes over sedans. IMO, they got the rear fenders "right" on the F80, but made them too smooth on the F82. They need more definition.

Also, the rear fenders in those photos are the M235i Racing "slap on" parts. They sit over the existing body work. It sounds like you're referring to the overall offset, which will probably not be as dramatic as the M235i Racing, because the rubber on the M2 won't be the same as what you'd find on a race car.

You can see in those spy shots that the wheels don't nearly reach the fender width in the rear, but if you look at the front, you can see the fitment is much better. In that photo, the front has what are probably the production (or very nearly production) fenders. You can tell by the fact that they blend in to the rocker panels. The early prototypes had the M235i Racing fenders slapped on.

I know these are all subtle distinctions, but I've (along with a lot of other people here ) been following this car extremely closely. Key takeaways:

* The spy shots use parts from the M235i Racing car, which isn't a street model.
* I don't think the rear will be as wide as in these spy shots.
* I/We've yet to see a spyshot with the "production" rear fenders fitted.

I don't think the rear fenders are from the M235i Racing. It seems like they are also nicely blended with the body. It's the M2 side skirts that are missing, which is making the rear flared panel look "stuck on".

That's how I'm seeing it at least.

[W///]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The thing is, the flare on the F80 is very different from the flare on the F82. The radius of the flare on the F80 is much tighter. I prefer it, even though I generally prefer coupes over sedans. IMO, they got the rear fenders "right" on the F80, but made them too smooth on the F82. They need more definition.

Also, the rear fenders in those photos are the M235i Racing "slap on" parts. They sit over the existing body work. It sounds like you're referring to the overall offset, which will probably not be as dramatic as the M235i Racing, because the rubber on the M2 won't be the same as what you'd find on a race car.

You can see in those spy shots that the wheels don't nearly reach the fender width in the rear, but if you look at the front, you can see the fitment is much better. In that photo, the front has what are probably the production (or very nearly production) fenders. You can tell by the fact that they blend in to the rocker panels. The early prototypes had the M235i Racing fenders slapped on.

I know these are all subtle distinctions, but I've (along with a lot of other people here ) been following this car extremely closely. Key takeaways:

* The spy shots use parts from the M235i Racing car, which isn't a street model.
* I don't think the rear will be as wide as in these spy shots.
* I/We've yet to see a spyshot with the "production" rear fenders fitted.

Yep, we are talking about the same thing then. I agree that the M4's flares are too rounded, but that's because the rear of the car was already wider than the F30 to begin with.

I think regardless of whether or not what's hiding under the camo of the red M2 is production or not, they still have to find a way to fit the rear end with the wider M3/4 wheels (those standard 2ers are not very friendly when it comes to wider wheels), so I really think it'll look like the F80. We shall see

Also, I think those are production fenders and flares you see on the car. Look at the fenders on that red M2, it looks completely blended in with everything. The only thing that is missing is the skirts IMHO.

Now look at the contour of the fender of this M235i Racing. They look nothing alike. This is so much more squared off:

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I don't think the rear fenders are from the M235i Racing. It seems like they are also nicely blended with the body. It's the M2 side skirts that are missing, which is making the rear flared panel look "stuck on".

That's how I'm seeing it at least.

Agreed

[dmboone25]

I think the rear flare looks awesome - much more M3 than M4.

I DO wish the front, however, was a little more pronounced - but it might be the crazy camo playing tricks on my eyes.

My god, from that front view, look how wide the back looks! Awesome...

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I don't think the rear fenders are from the M235i Racing. It seems like they are also nicely blended with the body. It's the M2 side skirts that are missing, which is making the rear flared panel look "stuck on".

That's how I'm seeing it at least.

Originally Posted by W///

Also, I think those are production fenders and flares you see on the car. Look at the fenders on that red M2, it looks completely blended in with everything. The only thing that is missing is the skirts IMHO.

Hrm, I'm beginning to think you guys might be right

Have a look at this "down the side" shot of the M235i Racing. You're right, the rears are more "squared" on the M235iR:

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Here's the big one for me though. The best evidence that these are the production flares is easy to overlook. The fuel filler door is cut off by the M235iR "slap on" parts, because they don't need access to it; because the car has a racing-style quick fill port. You can see the fuel filler door cutout through the camo in this shot.

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On the down side, the flares on this test mule look a lot like the F82 as far as blending radius goes, but on the upside, the offset is huge! I cannot wait to see spyshots without the camo.

[W///]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Hrm, I'm beginning to think you guys might be right

Have a look at this "down the side" shot of the M235i Racing. You're right, the rears are more "squared" on the M235iR:

View post on imgur.com

Here's the big one for me though. The best evidence that these are the production flares is easy to overlook. The fuel filler door is cut off by the M235iR "slap on" parts, because they don't need access to it; because the car has a racing-style quick fill port. You can see the fuel filler door cutout through the camo in this shot.

View post on imgur.com

On the down side, the flares on this test mule look a lot like the F82 as far as blending radius goes, but on the upside, the offset is huge! I cannot wait to see spyshots without the camo.

Nice catch! Didn't even notice the fuel lids are different. Here's another pic of what I think is the real rear flares. Front fenders are obviously from M235i Racing


From the rear, I can see what you mean that it looks a little washed out. But from the front of the car.... wow

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The thing is, the flare on the F80 is very different from the flare on the F82. The radius of the flare on the F80 is much tighter. I prefer it, even though I generally prefer coupes over sedans. IMO, they got the rear fenders "right" on the F80, but made them too smooth on the F82. They need more definition.

For a functional reason the M3 fenders are more "flared" than those of the M4.
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