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As noted above, I think it very likely that BMW will adjust production based on demand. It's very easy to believe based on our very biased, enthusiast board membership (myself included!) that everyone in the world will be lining up to order an M2. We'll see when it comes time to write the checks.
It's probably not an easy thing to assess demand for a niche vehicle, considering that the potential buyer will also (in addition to cars from other brands) likely be considering the M235i/M240i and the F8X M3/4. BMW imported just over 1800 Z4M coupes to the US for MY 2006-2008. They did not sell. In 2007, I was able to buy a brand-new one off the lot in the Tucson (not a big market!) for below MSRP. Now of course they are appreciating because they are so rare. Go figure.
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I guess a more () available M2 might be able to accomplish this original goal.
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Wait until the 1st Chris Harris m2 video people will loose their minds for it just like the gt4. But..... It will be too late. They will have to wait unless they have an allocation.
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probably don't matter for me. i'm opting for the M3 for my growing family. i wish i can have an M2 however.
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12-21-2015, 10:04 AM | #29 | |
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Ditto: see http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=38, commenting: I wouldn't be surprised if BMW arranged for Chris Harris to test drive the M2 next January as one of the first. He already liked the M235i when he drove it for weeks in the past. And, as we all know, his reputation and following is huge. Once his M2 review video hits the interwebs including his hallmark drifts, giggling and straight talk, you'll see that the ghost will be out of the bottle. Those still waiting for a test drive by then, will have to queue. 1M history reloaded.
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If I were to modify my estimate, I would not do it based on 1M history. I would use more recent information such as the distribution BMW used for the M4 GTS. Which is - 300 of 700 of those cars are going to the US. Using that proportion, 43%, applied to the 10,000 total would yield 4,300 cars to the US over 4 years or 1075 per year. With about 340 dealers in the US that would mean each dealer would get 3 or so M2 allocations annually. Many posters use the 1M history as a basis for judging the development of the M2. IMO, this is produces big time errors. The 1M was developed under entirely different circumstances from start to finish. I don't think the 10k figure is a "marketing tactic." It is a "planning" number. Which, IMO, is crucial in a business, particularly a business this large. Things have to bought far in advance, people hired and so forth. I think BMW has a number for the total M2s they plan on producing and that they put in a lot of time, money and effort to make sure that number is accurate. That is not to say the "plan" is rigid and unmodifiable. |
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Though, there is a similarity with the 1M: alike the 1M pocket rocket, the M2 is a new entry model. As a car company you can hope, assume or project how the market will react to that new kid in town, but by no means predict it. A car may not live up to the expectations, or exceed these. Yup, the market may not react according to plan. "Only 2700 1M cars" they scheduled. 6309 left the Leipzig plant. Second similarity. 1M and M2 were/are produced at the same production facility (Leipzig), which implies production constraints due to high volume production of other BMW cars. Third similarity. BMW adopted something alike the Hobson's Choice approach for the 1M and seems to replicate it with the M2: a 'free' choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not - "take it or leave it". "Oh, you want an S-engine, a CF-roof, a powerdome, a moonroof, different exterior colors, other seats, a head-up display, etc. ? Move along, nothing to see here, and don't forget to check out our infamous M3/M4 or, alternatively, the M240i." Later reviewers may be influenced by previous reviews. A sequence of 'bad' (read: underwhelmed) reviews early 2016, could seriously rain on the M2 parade. On the contrary, a couple of rave reviews in the early stages, will likely hype the M2 even more (remember the 1M rave roller-coaster around May 2011). And righteously: as many say it over and over again, in the end ///M cars are all about the chassis. The position of the car design on the spectrum ranging between butt-ugly and drop-dead gorgeous may be important, but what truly matters is how you experience the ride: underwhelmed, fair enough, amazed or overawed ? Hence, the importance of the first M2 test reviews. It would be a smart move of BMW to put Chris Harris and Steve Sutcliffe as one of the first behind the wheel of an M2 featuring the 6-speed manual tranny (with M Driver's Package). You know that they loved the 1M and appreciate the M235i. The rest, dear forum fellows, will be history.
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I find this rumor to be complete hilarious. 1,800 M2s for the U.S. spread over 4 years? There's no way BMWNA would agree to 450 cars a year for a $55k car. The U.S. dealers and BMWNA turned down a 2012 MY 1M because BMW couldn't commit to a large enough number.
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See here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589805 And one of the comments here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/01/10/74...united-states/
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who cares. it's too late. many enthusiasts have bought other cars already. Not many want to shlep around 3500+ lbs. there are plenty of other options.
Go to P or BMW hpde and check out net worth of cars. So many bmw enthusiasts are in P club now. |
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So are you getting a Porsche ? I think this car will be great. E46 size with more power for those of us who want rear wheel drive.
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Suggesting that 1M owners don't post nonsense is, in itself, nonsense I have yet to see a car ownership group where there isn't some level of this... including from 1M owners.
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to me it's waaaay cooler than any other 'modern' BMW M car....bar none. i talk up the 1M because i am totally in love with it. period! I hope your M2s make you feel the same way about your cars!! |
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